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Of course it is unable to go below that voltage and that is exactly what I and apparently others need to do because without it the card is supplying 1350MHz with 1.075V instead of 1.218V which is way to low and noone is gonna observe and write down voltage at every boost clock in stock bios..

People are copying GameStable because there is no AIR for 980 on the front page. If someone has Gigabyte G1 he explicitly see "GIGABYTE-G1-980-GM204-GSv1-NLv7.zip 1238k " - nothing about any AIR bios.
I clearly state that AIR replaces GS and H2O replaces NL.
All the GS and NL bioses are IDENTICAL in settings per card, it's just that originally I was going to try and do a bios for each card. Then we found out that there are many different cards being called the exact same thing, and that it would be impossible to maintain.

I guess I'm going to remove all the GS/NL bioses now, since nobody seems to read the actual post and just assumes, then does the wrong thing. GS/NL was only present still so people could see what changed between GS/NL and AIR/H2O.

I also feel the need to point out that the EVGA SC bios has bin 62 as the 1354MHz bin, and that is 1075mv to 1281, just like my bios. Something else is going on here, because your card is not correctly setting the voltage based on your ASIC quality.
Edited by zoson - 1/13/15 at 12:24pm
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The post is unclear that is all. Anyway, the AIR bios does pretty much the same thing I was talking about so it is not the solution to anything. Still have to adjust minimum P00 or the card is supplying way to low voltages on every boost clock and even that is not the ultimate solution.
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The post is unclear that is all. Anyway, the AIR bios does pretty much the same thing I was talking about so it is not the solution to anything. Still have to adjust minimum P00 or the card is supplying way to low voltages on every boost clock and even that is 1not the ultimate solution.
1.2v is way above what should be necessary for 1354MHz. Way, way above. I just checked the spreadsheet I've got for the voltages that were selected by my 64% ASIC card using the SC BIOS and confirmed that it chose 1.083v. So yeah something else is going on here.

And really it can't get any more clear than what I've said:
H2O BIOS for Reference GTX 980(Nolimits replacement)

Air BIOS for Reference GTX 980(GameStable replacement)

How can it get any more clear? I specifically state that H2O replaces nolimits and air replaces gamestable.
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1.2v is way above what should be necessary for 1354MHz. Way, way above. I just checked the spreadsheet I've got for the voltages that were selected by my 64% ASIC card using the SC BIOS and confirmed that it chose 1.083v. So yeah something else is going on here.

And really it can't get any more clear than what I've said:
H2O BIOS for Reference GTX 980(Nolimits replacement)

Air BIOS for Reference GTX 980(GameStable replacement)

How can it get any more clear? I specifically state that H2O replaces nolimits and air replaces gamestable.

Using the stock bios, the 980 G1 Gaming (which I am talking about from the beginning) uses 1.218V at 1354MHz which is in my case maximum boost. When it throttles it uses 1343MHz at 1.193V. I cannot imagine how it could be using 1.083V.

Anyway, yea it is clear that Air Bios is for reference GTX 980 and that we should copy the values to our own bios - on the reference card.

edit: 1343MHz at 1.193V, not 1243MHz
Edited by Icydead - 1/13/15 at 12:43pm
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And really it can't get any more clear than what I've said:
H2O BIOS for Reference GTX 980(Nolimits replacement)

Air BIOS for Reference GTX 980(GameStable replacement)

How can it get any more clear? I specifically state that H2O replaces nolimits and air replaces gamestable.

Yes, we got that. But looking at the first post one may get the impression that those AIR/H2O bios are only for 980s (because you wrote it) and we only get the 970 Downloads part at the bottom where there is AIR and no H2O.
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The post is unclear that is all. Anyway, the AIR bios does pretty much the same thing I was talking about so it is not the solution to anything. Still have to adjust minimum P00 or the card is supplying way to low voltages on every boost clock and even that is not the ultimate solution.
I just downloaded and opened up the stock 980 G1 gaming bios. 1343MHz is bin 62 in that bios. The specified voltage range is 1075 - 1281 - exactly the same as my bios.
http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/163853/gigabyte-gtx980-4096-140917-1.html

Hell, even the original stock nvidia bios uses 1162 - 1281 - less than what you're saying you need.

Something else is wrong. The behavior you describe is basically the same as if you used the stock bios and moved the OC slider very high.
The problem you describe was an issue with the first 4 NL bioses, but I resolved it in NLv5 and GSv1.
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I just downloaded and opened up the stock 980 G1 gaming bios. 1343MHz is bin 62 in that bios. The specified voltage range is 1075 - 1281 - exactly the same as my bios.
http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/163853/gigabyte-gtx980-4096-140917-1.html

Hell, even the original stock nvidia bios uses 1162 - 1281 - less than what you're saying you need.

Something else is wrong. The behavior you describe is basically the same as if you used the stock bios and moved the OC slider very high.
The problem you describe was an issue with the first 4 NL bioses, but I resolved it in NLv5 and GSv1.

Yes the range is the same, but for some reason the card uses minimum voltage values at each boost clock. It does that with copied values from GSv1 and even with copied values from AIR. Apparently other people are experiencing this as well since they told me to increase P00 voltage because they were tired of crashing from too low voltages at various boost clocks. Anyway, quick google search yields various results of G1 gaming factory stock boost voltage of 1.218V. Maybe it could be lower, maybe 1.193V or something depending on a chip, but 1.075V hell no. I have no idea what causes this problem and I am unable to resolve it.

Stock bios - 1354MHz at 1.218V -


Modified bios (GSv1) - 1316MHz at 1.068V

That is obviously too low and it crashed after making that screenshot. It should be using something like ~1.181V or something like that since stock also uses 1.193V at 1342MHz.

1.068V is minimum value for 1316MHz in GSv1. In AIR Bios it is 1.075V and in stock bios it is 1.062V and only in modified bioses it uses the minimal value.

Doubt this will make any difference in research, but I have revision 1.1 with stock bios http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/164756/gigabyte-gtx980-2990-141007.html. I made a quick check and the values seems to be same so this will probably not change anything.
Edited by Icydead - 1/13/15 at 2:28pm
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upload your custom air bios.
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upload your custom air bios.

test4.zip 137k .zip file

Here it is. I made my own with maximum boost clock 1557MHz (boosting to it) and voltage boosting up to 1.275V max. All modifications should be right, I made them according to research of GSv1 and AIR Bios. About voltage table, I did not raise the minimum values of CLK's so they are stock, I only raised first 5 sliders, maximum values of 60 - 74 and minimum value of 73 and 74. Anyway, the card uses minimum voltage values at each boost clock with my custom bios and even with straight copy of GSv1 or AIR bios values - already tested it so nothing I did specifficaly in my bios should be cause of this problem.
Edited by Icydead - 1/13/15 at 2:59pm
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They suggested it because that was the old hack to get around the stability problem in NLv4.
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test4.zip 137k .zip file

Here it is. I made my own with maximum boost clock 1557MHz (boosting to it) and voltage boosting up to 1.275V max. All modifications should be right, I made them according to research of GSv1 and AIR Bios. About voltage table, I did not raise the minimum values of CLK's so they are stock, I only raised first 5 sliders, maximum values of 60 - 74 and minimum value of 73 and 74. Anyway, the card uses minimum voltage values at each boost clock with my custom bios and even with straight copy of GSv1 or AIR bios values - already tested it so nothing I did specifficaly in my bios should be cause of this problem.
Your voltage table is extremely wrong and the cause for this problem. You haven't maintained the relative ratios required to select voltage bins correctly.

Also it's pretty disingenuous to claim you copied my settings when in fact you've butchered the voltage table to lower values than even the stock reference bios uses. Your voltage table is nothing like GSv1 or AIR.
Edited by zoson - 1/13/15 at 3:03pm
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