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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GbfmIuL86k&list=UUXuqSBlHAE6Xw-yeJA0Tunw

Check those benches, the 970 and the 980s destroying the 290xs. All cards at the max oc's each card could obtain.

Do some reading.

290X OC : 1050/1300
290 OC : 1090/1350

Just makes Linus and people that take these benchmarks stupid.
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Do some reading.

290X OC : 1050/1300
290 OC : 1090/1350

Just makes Linus and people that take these benchmarks stupid.

Linus does seem like he is pro Nvidia, so those are probably poor samples he has and he hasn't bothered trying for better ones. He is rather annoying now to me. I use to be able to tolerate him a little better than I do now.
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Linus does seem like he is pro Nvidia, so those are probably poor samples he has and he hasn't bothered trying for better ones. He is rather annoying now to me. I use to be able to tolerate him a little better than I do now.

He can do what he wants really but at least test the GPU @ stock so people dont get the wrong idea. 290X with 75% fans speed should do at least 1150MHz/1500MHz OC. He left the Gigabyte GTX780 GHz in the list but removed 290X Lightning which did 1200MHz in the core.
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Several issues with that comparison. Nvidia, as opposed to AMD, only measure FLOPs in terms of the reference base clock speed, but with GPU boost that number is meaningless. Furthermore, the 1.05 GHz 970 is actually 3.9 TFLOPs in single-precision compute. But no one actually has 970s running that low in actuality. In real-time, pretty much all 970s boost to and maintain anywhere between ~1250 MHz and ~1400 MHz out of the box. Almost every 970 should also be able to get up to 1450-1500 MHz with some very safe overclocking.

1.5/1.05 = 1.42857

3.9 x 1.42857 = 5.57 TFLOPs

Which means average 970s will actually mop the floor pretty nicely with average 280Xs in peak single-precision "compute" performance. The numbers are misleading however, they were with Kepler as well. Of course, there's no such thing as just "compute" performance simplified into one number; we're talking about peak single-precision floating-point operations per second. Maxwell is much more competitive with GCN in Luxmark and OpenCL raytracing than Kepler ever was, but of course there are still some areas where GCN excels in comparison to Maxwell (specific architectural stuff review sites probably don't even mention). I would imagine double-precision floating-point performance is one such area, Kepler was heavily crippled there outside of the Titan/workstation cards, but it's not really a relevant measure for games. The point is the single-precision FLOPs measure is not where to look for the cause of the performance difference, but GCN certainly is a very compute-oriented architecture and has its own specific characteristics and features Maxwell and/or Kepler are lacking in.

You don't calculate gflops like that.

For 1050 MHz, ( 1050 MHz x 16 bits per Cycle ) / 8 = 2100 Mega FLOPS
And, 2100 x no. of shader processor, 2100 x 1664 (GTX 970) = 3494400 Mega Floating Point Operations per Second or 3494.4 GFLOPS or 3.4944 TFLOPS

1600 MHz core frequency w/ GTX 970 will be 5.324 TFLOPS.
There may be other ways also to calculate flops though.

I didn't mean that 280X is faster than 970. 280X can almost never be faster than 970. But there might be some very specific conditions in 1th% of time where 280X might shine a little bit, these may be related to compute. If not single, it may be due to double precision, as 280X has 1.0 TFLOPS of Double precision opposed to GTX 970's 0.1 TFLOPS. Though 99.9% time it will not be used in gaming.
Hence 99.9% time GTX 970 should be 50%+ faster than 280X, in gaming thumb.gif
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Do some reading.

290X OC : 1050/1300
290 OC : 1090/1350

Just makes Linus and people that take these benchmarks stupid.

The knee jerk reaction tells me who you are deeply rooting for, I said it's what he could get on air for max oc's on all the cards there. So again all cards at the max he could get them to - nvidia destroying the 290x by alot. Though that could be down to the silicon lottery and that he just had bad luck with the amd cards, or it could be down to that on air amd 290/290x are some of the worst oc cards out there due to there terrible heat/noise and power draw from day one.

Or we could build a tinfoil fort and say that linus intionaly left out good oc'ing 290x cards or didn't oc them very much to intentionally make nvidia cards look better.............
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The knee jerk reaction tells me who you are deeply rooting for, I said it's what he could get on air for max oc's on all the cards there. So again all cards at the max he could get them to - nvidia destroying the 290x by alot. Though that could be down to the silicon lottery and that he just had bad luck with the amd cards, or it could be down to that on air amd 290/290x are some of the worst oc cards out there due to there terrible heat/noise and power draw from day one.

Or we could build a tinfoil fort and say that linus intionaly left out good oc'ing 290x cards or didn't oc them very much to intentionally make nvidia cards look better.............

Ah yes, and surely the person named 780tivs980 wouldn't be biased either thumb.gif

OC on the reference cooler is bad. Non-reference and water, not so much.
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Ah yes, and surely the person named 780tivs980 wouldn't be biased either thumb.gif

OC on the reference cooler is bad. Non-reference and water, not so much.

Exactly. thumb.gif
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The knee jerk reaction tells me who you are deeply rooting for, I said it's what he could get on air for max oc's on all the cards there. So again all cards at the max he could get them to - nvidia destroying the 290x by alot. Though that could be down to the silicon lottery and that he just had bad luck with the amd cards, or it could be down to that on air amd 290/290x are some of the worst oc cards out there due to there terrible heat/noise and power draw from day one.

Or we could build a tinfoil fort and say that linus intionaly left out good oc'ing 290x cards or didn't oc them very much to intentionally make nvidia cards look better.............

Ah yes, and surely the person named 780tivs980 wouldn't be biased either thumb.gif

OC on the reference cooler is bad. Non-reference and water, not so much.

Ref cards can hit decent clocks if you can stand the noise.

but yeah, either Linus had the worst hawaii cards in existence or he didn't really try
 
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Ah yes, and surely the person named 780tivs980 wouldn't be biased either thumb.gif

OC on the reference cooler is bad. Non-reference and water, not so much.

He has reference fan @ 75%. That is super loud. At that fan speed 290X/290 actually run cool. I have 3 x 290 and they all did at least 1150MHz in air.
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