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All in one's do not get "loud under load" unless you have your fans set with a "smart fan" profile or something in the bios to auto run at 100% when the CPU hits a certain temp. Just put your fans on a controller or keep them on a silent adapter and AIOs are much quieter than Tower coolers. Though if you are sensitive to certain sounds you may hear the pump. I don't ever hear the pump outside of when I turn my PC on.

Take a look at the graphs in doyll post or read pretty any review of a high end air cooler and you will see you are wrong.
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Sorry, but CLCs are louder doing the same cooling. Slow down the fans and they will not cool as well.

At full speed CLC are still not as good as top air.


Slow the CLC fans down to less than 40dBA and CPU temps go up. wink.gif

H100i = trash AIO. You would only use it in a case that has size restrictions but supports thin rads. Zalman generally make trash products, so I would throw it in there as well.

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Take a look at the graphs in doyll post or read pretty any review of a high end air cooler and you will see you are wrong.

And all of those reviews are done on stock fans with bad AIOs.

With my H105 and Jetflow fans I am able to keep the fans set to low on my case controller and get about equal results to an NH-D15. Set it to medium and I get a few degress ahead, and on high (where the fans become jet engines and I would normally never use) I blast an NH-D15. That's with a middle of the road (but not terrible) AIO and $30 worth of fans.
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And all of those reviews are done on stock fans with bad AIOs.

With my H105 and Jetflow fans I am able to keep the fans set to low on my case controller and get about equal results to an NH-D15. Set it to medium and I get a few degress ahead, and on high (where the fans become jet engines and I would normally never use) I blast an NH-D15. That's with a middle of the road (but not terrible) AIO and $30 worth of fans.
Yeah, when the cows come home with flying pigs. biggrin.gif

Here's better CLC and AIO and air is sure not getting "blasted". rolleyes.gif







Each pair of tests above were ran on all coolers on same day. Same coolers tested on different days give slightly different results.
Edited by doyll - 10/16/14 at 5:01pm
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Yeah, when the cows come home with flying pigs. biggrin.gif

Here's better CLC and AIO and air is sure not getting "blasted". rolleyes.gif







Each pair of tests above were ran on all coolers on same day. Same coolers tested on different days give slightly different results.

Your results do not match with others that I have seen.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6553/thermaltake-water-3-0-ultimate-360mm-aio-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/10/15/thermaltake_water_30_ultimate_aio_cpu_cooler_review/3#.VEBfDx3F840

Which show the NH-D15 is about as good as middle of the road AIOs with stock fans. "Blast" obviously is a bit of an over-exaggeration, however it's a clear winner when I run them at those speeds.
 
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Your results do not match with others that I have seen.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6553/thermaltake-water-3-0-ultimate-360mm-aio-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/10/15/thermaltake_water_30_ultimate_aio_cpu_cooler_review/3#.VEBfDx3F840

Which show the NH-D15 is about as good as middle of the road AIOs with stock fans. "Blast" obviously is a bit of an over-exaggeration, however it's a clear winner when I run them at those speeds.
Well, the best CLC is 3.58c cooler than NH-D15, but 30dBA louder .. that is 8 times as loud.
To me that is a "blasting" difference in noise. biggrin.gif
At 7.2v it is 36dBA but no data on what CPU temp was at that speed / dBA. Also no reference data on what actual cooler intake air temp on each cooler. Even on open bench the cooler intake air temp tends to vary way more than room temp. In a case it's even worse.
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Ya I've been looking at the 4690k and 4790k, boards r actually cheaper considering my needs, add $100 to the board cost and they're a bit future...resistant for a couple years, and cooler looking smile.gif . The nepton 140xl performs very well in comparative charts, push pull 140mm fans, same size as the cpu exhaust fan on the 932. Checked with cooler master, no nepton 280l for me, but the 140xl fits fine (currently $85 post rebate @newegg.ca). With winter coming, cracking a window will change everything, but in the summer, I need the water man. I was looking at the swiftech H220-x/320-x, expandable closed loop systems! Apparently u can add a couple GPUs and the pump can hack it. Those look cool, pricey tho, hard to get. I can get the 3x120mm fan rad H320x right now... for $130? $45US shipping must be for the h240-x. They do however have copper rads. Also considering the h100i cuz fan control is neat, but I think i saw a chart where the 140xl outperforms it, i know it was like top 3 of a LOT of coolers, including 280mm rad ones. I haven't heard any particular praise for the H105, am i missing something? You think i could pass 4.7 with it (8350)?

Fact remains, a $300 8320/mb/ram upgrade might be a good idea at this time, as who knows whats around the corner. The cooling system can be switched to anything unless they drastically change socket config.

But getting a 4790k and an overpriced mobo with m.2/PCIe is never not gonna be tempting wink.gif

Any idea why a 140mm wide rad, 2/3 fans long is too wide for the top of my case where there is a 230mm fan?

most intel chips are. look t core 2 duo and core 2 quad still very competent chips.
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All in one's do not get "loud under load" unless you have your fans set with a "smart fan" profile or something in the bios to auto run at 100% when the CPU hits a certain temp. Just put your fans on a controller or keep them on a silent adapter and AIOs are much quieter than Tower coolers. Though if you are sensitive to certain sounds you may hear the pump. I don't ever hear the pump outside of when I turn my PC on.

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Sorry, but CLCs are louder doing the same cooling. Slow down the fans and they will not cool as well.

At full speed CLC are still not as good as top air.


Slow the CLC fans down to less than 40dBA and CPU temps go up. wink.gif

This is kind of a big issue. I'm not worried about a little pump noise, it'll be inside a biggass HAF 932 (3x230mm fans +a 140mm for CPU) along with a twin fan 7970 DD that doesn't seem to have an inside voice. Which is y an decibel spike from a cooling system dealing with an fully OC'd hot processor that's been gaming for hours would be waay over the top, seeing as the the rig already sounds like a sleeping dinosaur, and at full load gaming on ultra for hours, it gives the T-Rex chasing the jeep in jurassic park a run for his money (pun not originally intended wink.gif )

I know pump V can be lowered without much detriment on serious CLCs, but the way my fans (cpu and gpu) seem to work on auto is that the CPU cooler doesn't really care til the temp reaches 55c and then it keeps it there, same with the gpu at 75c. And they don't joke around! Just scream louder and louder to hold the temps.
Edited by Darkhaze - 10/17/14 at 6:55am
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most intel chips are. look t core 2 duo and core 2 quad still very competent chips.

Would they really compete with an 8350?
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Would they really compete with an 8350?

idk about that! but, with my core 2 quad q9550 @ 3.8 ghz with ddr3 i can play GTA 4 in a windows 8 virtual machine in OSX at about 25-35 fps. it plays all the games i have in my steam library too.

http://www.mysteamgauge.com/account?username=cdoublejj

grant it i don't play poor excuses for programing and total lack optimization games like CoD, BF or Watch Dogs which could tank below 30 fps on a cutting edge i7 clocked to 6.4 ghz on phase cooling. (not unlike gta 4 biggrin.giftongue.gif )
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idk about that! but, with my core 2 quad q9550 @ 3.8 ghz with ddr3 i can play GTA 4 in a windows 8 virtual machine in OSX at about 25-35 fps. it plays all the games i have in my steam library too.

http://www.mysteamgauge.com/account?username=cdoublejj

grant it i don't play poor excuses for programing and total lack optimization games like CoD, BF or Watch Dogs which could tank below 30 fps on a cutting edge i7 clocked to 6.4 ghz on phase cooling. (not unlike gta 4 biggrin.giftongue.gif )

Let's say for arguments sake that the core 2 quad is even with whichever processor (I did a quick search, it's a bit behind a Phenom II 965) I would imagine u've got quite a gpu bottleneck with the 4850. I had a 5830 on the 965. It played BF3 better than expected, which is to say 30 fps avg. Pretty good for the hardware. I unparked the CPU cores (great solution to poorly optimized multi-core games) and I was up to 50 fps avg, and this is on highish settings. I popped in my 7970 upon acquisition, maxed settings, 90 fps avg, 120fps avg cores unparked (overkill but fun to know I could). GPU at near full load. (might have been 70% in one config, i can't remember). BTW always in 64 player matches, meant to play SingleP on ultra when I got the new card, never got around to it. Too many new sick MultiP games, a bunch free with the card wink.gif Crysis/Farcry 3 baby.

I didn't play much watchdogs, for some reason I never really took to it. Even then, the 965/7970 played it smooth. Cores parked, never bothered to check the FPS.

Damn you have an outrageous number of games lol!

Point is I don't know what a windows 8 virtual machine is lol. and you need to be sure which component is the bottleneck - And learn the tricks/tactics to overcome poor programmer tricks/tactics lol 'wink.gif
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