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No! Thorium is here, now. Not some pipe dream that doesn't even exist. With thorium, we could all have power that's next to free. No radiation, and small reactors that power individual homes. India and China are already working on it and we're gonna be left in the dust. No need to waste time and money chasing fusion when you got everything we need right here and now. That's why you invent a better slingshot. Cure the world's energy problem now, not 50 years from now. Then fusion can happen whenever.

Which kind of thorium reactor are you talking about, pebble bed, liquid salt, something else? Thorium is radioactive and the fuel in a thorium reactor is very radioactive (if you do fission you get radiation). It would generate less waste that is less radioactive than a uranium plant and it would be harder to melt down, true, but the thing itself would still be very dangerous while it was running. You really don't want an un-shielded thorium reactor. I also never heard anyone say it was cheap, cheaper than a uranium reactor is still not cheap.

I don't want my neighbor having a cheap thorium breeder reactor, especially as they would be a great starting point for a very dirty bomb. I agree that no one should ever build a new old-school uranium reactor but thorium is not completely trouble free, or even completely developed. It is not quite ready to cure anything yet (but it is a lot closer than fusion).

Thorium reactors are quite interesting, and light years ahead of our current 60's era uranium plants, but they aren't the magic bullet you make them out to be. Still, the technology is one of the most promising avenues for base load power without fossil fuels, especially for those countries with a lot of thorium like India.

We are talking about fusion because this thread is about a press release relating possible progress towards viable fusion. wink.gif
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No! Thorium is here, now. Not some pipe dream that doesn't even exist. With thorium, we could all have power that's next to free. No radiation, and small reactors that power individual homes. India and China are already working on it and we're gonna be left in the dust. No need to waste time and money chasing fusion when you got everything we need right here and now. That's why you invent a better slingshot. Cure the world's energy problem now, not 50 years from now. Then fusion can happen whenever.

Thorium reactors do put out radioactive wastes, probably more so than fast reactors due to incomplete use of actinides. And I highly doubt they can miniaturize it for home usage. Otherwise, the Navy would be using them on their smaller warships.
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If we truly do have an clean abundant source of energy the possibilities are endless. Maybe we should start building a Dyson's sphere.

Yes, first steps to spreading out to the stars/ensuring our infinite survival, Dyson spheres in earths orbit.
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Science has NEVER been about believing. if you don't think or don't believe it's possible to solve a problem then you have failed as a Scientist/Mathematician

    Am I the only one who sees the obvious contradiction here?
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Science is built around proof, not press releases. In god we trust, all others bring proof. biggrin.gif

 

However, follow the fat man with the money... Press Releases are great for selling something obviously. Assume they are after money / funding and it's likely true. Why shouold Lockheed spend their own money when the public can ....nevermind.  This descends into politics if taken further.

 

I hope they nailed it. Though I have no hope of seeing it in my lifetime for anything outside of weaponization.

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Thorium reactors are quite interesting, and light years ahead of our current 60's era uranium plants.


Not really.
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I don't want my neighbor having a cheap thorium breeder reactor, especially as they would be a great starting point for a very dirty bomb.

Your ignorance is showing with that statement. There's no material used in a nuclear reactor that could be used to make a nuclear weapon, and dirty bombs are not really a threat, there have been studies done on their effectiveness which show that any dirty bomb would blow the dirty material so thoroughly over the area that there will be little more than background radiation from it.
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Thorium reactors are quite interesting, and light years ahead of our current 60's era uranium plants, but they aren't the magic bullet you make them out to be.

Yeah, light years ahead of the Gen I/II 60's reactors, but they're not really much compared to a modern Gen VI 2010's reactor. The main use of thorium is as a alternate, more plentiful fuel source for the reaction.
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Your ignorance is showing with that statement. There's no material used in a nuclear reactor that could be used to make a nuclear weapon, and dirty bombs are not really a threat, there have been studies done on their effectiveness which show that any dirty bomb would blow the dirty material so thoroughly over the area that there will be little more than background radiation from it.
Yeah, light years ahead of the Gen I/II 60's reactors, but they're not really much compared to a modern Gen VI 2010's reactor. The main use of thorium is as a alternate, more plentiful fuel source for the reaction.

They are not light years ahead of a typical light water PWR or BWR, They are different that is all (with a lot of pluses if pulled off) and still have issues and a long design and licensing road ahead before you see them pushing 1100mw electric to the grid. Is it promising and cool, yes. Light years ahead? no.

I also think you are confused with your terminology. There is no such thing as Gen VI reactors. There are currently a few gen III+ reactors being built in Georgia and in South Carolina ( those are the AP1000's) in the US. In fact I have a interview offer for one in my inbox...Gen IV reactors are in design stages.
Edited by the9quad - 10/19/14 at 10:57am
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I did mean to say IV, got my romans turned around. tongue.gif
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Also, light-years measure distance, not time. Saying light-years is illogical.
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