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I'm sure I could down clock my cpu/nb and ram and get there, but I feel like my system is well rounded. I hate to give up the higher clocks in order to bump my cpu up further. I wonder what the performance difference would be though...hmmmm?
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I'm sure I could down clock my cpu/nb and ram and get there, but I feel like my system is well rounded. I hate to give up the higher clocks in order to bump my cpu up further. I wonder what the performance difference would be though...hmmmm?
I would agree that yours is well rounded... my daily clocks are only 5ghz cpu 2400mhz ram and cpu/nb 2600mhz HT so yeah I go for rounded too
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Can cores be disabled for this? I found that 7 or 8 is what holding me back from 5ghz. So i went in bios and disabled 7/8 because on this board it ony disables 2 at a time... And i ran ibt avx and it passed 10 runs 2 times. So it makes it a 6 core.


So was wondering will that get me in the 5ghz club lol? Or does all cores need to be activated?
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Can cores be disabled for this? I found that 7 or 8 is what holding me back from 5ghz. So i went in bios and disabled 7/8 because on this board it ony disables 2 at a time... And i ran ibt avx and it passed 10 runs 2 times. So it makes it a 6 core.


So was wondering will that get me in the 5ghz club lol? Or does all cores need to be activated?
I believe you are required to run entire chip whatever number of cores it is OEM to gain entry.

not trying to be a party crasher or hurt your feelings or anything.
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I believe you are required to run entire chip whatever number of cores it is OEM to gain entry.

not trying to be a party crasher or hurt your feelings or anything.

As I said in a PM to him, and I will restate here, yes it must be all cores... the requirement of a screenshot specifies that all cores must be at 100% during test... otherwise we would have ppl disabling all but one core and entering... Trying for a "usability" club here... not a "stability" or "fun run" club... for the reasons that "fun runs" can't be used, and "stability" is soooo arbitrary ... you can never achieve 100% stable... even your best components for the best servers have expected error rates... it just happens... so "stability" is a can of worms, but usable is an easier to define character.... basically stable enough for no unexplained blue screens, shutdowns, etc, but may not be able to pass the test of hours of prime, or other stability tests, although, those wishing to fold or bitcoin mine would argue (rightly so) that it must be as close to 100% stable as possible for them... sooo in short I settled for what would do for most gamers and normal daily users (where accuracy isn't as critical) that was a quick test that still was fairly difficult enough to weed out the majority of "fun run" overclocks...

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As I said in a PM to him, and I will restate here, yes it must be all cores... the requirement of a screenshot specifies that all cores must be at 100% during test... otherwise we would have ppl disabling all but one core and entering... Trying for a "usability" club here... not a "stability" or "fun run" club... for the reasons that "fun runs" can't be used, and "stability" is soooo arbitrary ... you can never achieve 100% stable... even your best components for the best servers have expected error rates... it just happens... so "stability" is a can of worms, but usable is an easier to define character.... basically stable enough for no unexplained blue screens, shutdowns, etc, but may not be able to pass the test of hours of prime, or other stability tests, although, those wishing to fold or bitcoin mine would argue (rightly so) that it must be as close to 100% stable as possible for them... sooo in short I settled for what would do for most gamers and normal daily users (where accuracy isn't as critical) that was a quick test that still was fairly difficult enough to weed out the majority of "fun run" overclocks...

P.S. for stability freaks.... get a server... ecc ram, double accuracy compute, raid array... etc


Yep got your pm thanks for getting back to me:)

Guess i will keep on trying lol It will do 4.9 1.52 on all cores on ibt avx on high 25runs. But with all cores on 5ghz it will freeze on test 8 no matter what voltage i give it... Im not sure if the 2 cores just cant take it or they need to be even cooler...

I also need to update my sig cause im running the Raijintek Triton push and pull now i was using my rasa 750 custom kit but i think something is wrong with the block or mounting because the Raijintek Triton beats it by 10c....


My temps are still not the way i want them tho.. With 4.9 1.52 is decent tho mid to high 50s on cores and will have a spike up to 64c. With 1.55 temps are in the high 60s with a spike to 71-72c than after that it just gets to hot.

Maybe another rad is due and another case like the Thermaltake Core X9 lol Im just wondering if i get it cooler will it even help those 2 cores? thinking.gif
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As I said in a PM to him, and I will restate here, yes it must be all cores... the requirement of a screenshot specifies that all cores must be at 100% during test... otherwise we would have ppl disabling all but one core and entering... Trying for a "usability" club here... not a "stability" or "fun run" club... for the reasons that "fun runs" can't be used, and "stability" is soooo arbitrary ... you can never achieve 100% stable... even your best components for the best servers have expected error rates... it just happens... so "stability" is a can of worms, but usable is an easier to define character.... basically stable enough for no unexplained blue screens, shutdowns, etc, but may not be able to pass the test of hours of prime, or other stability tests, although, those wishing to fold or bitcoin mine would argue (rightly so) that it must be as close to 100% stable as possible for them... sooo in short I settled for what would do for most gamers and normal daily users (where accuracy isn't as critical) that was a quick test that still was fairly difficult enough to weed out the majority of "fun run" overclocks...

P.S. for stability freaks.... get a server... ecc ram, double accuracy compute, raid array... etc


Yep got your pm thanks for getting back to me:)

Guess i will keep on trying lol It will do 4.9 1.52 on all cores on ibt avx on high 25runs. But with all cores on 5ghz it will freeze on test 8 no matter what voltage i give it... Im not sure if the 2 cores just cant take it or they need to be even cooler...

I also need to update my sig cause im running the Raijintek Triton push and pull now i was using my rasa 750 custom kit but i think something is wrong with the block or mounting because the Raijintek Triton beats it by 10c....


My temps are still not the way i want them tho.. With 4.9 1.52 is decent tho mid to high 50s on cores and will have a spike up to 64c. With 1.55 temps are in the high 60s with a spike to 71-72c than after that it just gets to hot.

Maybe another rad is due and another case like the Thermaltake Core X9 lol Im just wondering if i get it cooler will it even help those 2 cores? thinking.gif
I bet you money its the temps as the AMD FX's get over 55c when OC'd to around 5ghz they start having issues and as heat increases a barrier arrives making it harder to remove the heat and as temps go up voltage requirements also do. I find max temps of around 50c is maximum for 5ghz to give best voltage and such again as heat builds up a barrier arrives due to leakage in the die itself bleeding power / voltage out like a dead short making things hard to deal with and as the temps go up the amount of heat the CPU will give up to the cooling becomes less and less because leakage increases as temps do and as the leakage increases more voltage is required to push thru the leakage to make it to the core itself to be used.

we have some good info on this in the original post AKA first post on this thread that Minotaurtoo links to that me and chris contributed that we got from stilt one of the leading AMD overclockers in the world that will help you understand this issue. Just to give stilt some credit he is 2nd in the entire world at sec on AMD FX at 8.723 MHz http://valid.canardpc.com/records.php so I simply would say he knows what he is talking about and the info I am talking about came directly from him VIA PM.

These are the links http://www.overclock.net/t/1519033/5-ghz-24-7-oc-club/590#post_23701073 http://www.overclock.net/t/1519033/5-ghz-24-7-oc-club/590#post_23701117 also keep in mind as you OC to 5ghz on AMD FX 8 cores you get into the 220w and above class so the max stilt pointed out is 57c at the 220w range before the crap starts hitting the fan and if you are drawwing more than that temp is even lower hince why I say the 50c goal as max or below 50c to help with stability and to keep the heat manageable since as you go above 55c the amount of heat the chip will give up becomes less and less meening less can be removed from the CPU above 55c or so at 5ghz.
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Sounds like the socket temp is through the roof. I believe Rick is correct. You need active cooling on the VRM's and socket. I also can't agree with Rick enough for reading the stilts post on temperatures for these chips.
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I bet you money its the temps as the AMD FX's get over 55c when OC'd to around 5ghz they start having issues and as heat increases a barrier arrives making it harder to remove the heat and as temps go up voltage requirements also do. I find max temps of around 50c is maximum for 5ghz to give best voltage and such again as heat builds up a barrier arrives due to leakage in the die itself bleeding power / voltage out like a dead short making things hard to deal with and as the temps go up the amount of heat the CPU will give up to the cooling becomes less and less because leakage increases as temps do and as the leakage increases more voltage is required to push thru the leakage to make it to the core itself to be used.

we have some good info on this in the original post AKA first post on this thread that Minotaurtoo links to that me and chris contributed that we got from stilt one of the leading AMD overclockers in the world that will help you understand this issue. Just to give stilt some credit he is 2nd in the entire world at sec on AMD FX at 8.723 MHz http://valid.canardpc.com/records.php so I simply would say he knows what he is talking about and the info I am talking about came directly from him VIA PM.

These are the links http://www.overclock.net/t/1519033/5-ghz-24-7-oc-club/590#post_23701073 http://www.overclock.net/t/1519033/5-ghz-24-7-oc-club/590#post_23701117 also keep in mind as you OC to 5ghz on AMD FX 8 cores you get into the 220w and above class so the max stilt pointed out is 57c at the 220w range before the crap starts hitting the fan and if you are drawwing more than that temp is even lower hince why I say the 50c goal as max or below 50c to help with stability and to keep the heat manageable since as you go above 55c the amount of heat the chip will give up becomes less and less meening less can be removed from the CPU above 55c or so at 5ghz.


Thanks rick for all the info it does give me hope that this cpu will do it one day smile.gif lol and seeing stilt 2nd place and got that cpu up to 8.723 wow.. I will believe what he says.


Tho im wondering what will at least get the temps under 60c?? Will adding another rad maybe a 240mm so a total of 2 240mm or even just getting a 480mm get down there? Was also thinking of getting the Thermaltake Core X9 and loading it with fans lol
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Sounds like the socket temp is through the roof. I believe Rick is correct. You need active cooling on the VRM's and socket. I also can't agree with Rick enough for reading the stilts post on temperatures for these chips.


Yep i have a socket fan 120mm on back of the socket which i cut out myself and i have a vantec fan card that has 2x 70mms cooling the front vrms it blows pretty good. Socket temps usely never get over 60c and vrm temps are usely 40s at load.
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I bet you money its the temps as the AMD FX's get over 55c when OC'd to around 5ghz they start having issues and as heat increases a barrier arrives making it harder to remove the heat and as temps go up voltage requirements also do. I find max temps of around 50c is maximum for 5ghz to give best voltage and such again as heat builds up a barrier arrives due to leakage in the die itself bleeding power / voltage out like a dead short making things hard to deal with and as the temps go up the amount of heat the CPU will give up to the cooling becomes less and less because leakage increases as temps do and as the leakage increases more voltage is required to push thru the leakage to make it to the core itself to be used.

we have some good info on this in the original post AKA first post on this thread that Minotaurtoo links to that me and chris contributed that we got from stilt one of the leading AMD overclockers in the world that will help you understand this issue. Just to give stilt some credit he is 2nd in the entire world at sec on AMD FX at 8.723 MHz http://valid.canardpc.com/records.php so I simply would say he knows what he is talking about and the info I am talking about came directly from him VIA PM.

These are the links http://www.overclock.net/t/1519033/5-ghz-24-7-oc-club/590#post_23701073 http://www.overclock.net/t/1519033/5-ghz-24-7-oc-club/590#post_23701117 also keep in mind as you OC to 5ghz on AMD FX 8 cores you get into the 220w and above class so the max stilt pointed out is 57c at the 220w range before the crap starts hitting the fan and if you are drawwing more than that temp is even lower hince why I say the 50c goal as max or below 50c to help with stability and to keep the heat manageable since as you go above 55c the amount of heat the chip will give up becomes less and less meening less can be removed from the CPU above 55c or so at 5ghz.


Thanks rick for all the info it does give me hope that this cpu will do it one day smile.gif lol and seeing stilt 2nd place and got that cpu up to 8.723 wow.. I will believe what he says.


Tho im wondering what will at least get the temps under 60c?? Will adding another rad maybe a 240mm so a total of 2 240mm or even just getting a 480mm get down there? Was also thinking of getting the Thermaltake Core X9 and loading it with fans lol
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Sounds like the socket temp is through the roof. I believe Rick is correct. You need active cooling on the VRM's and socket. I also can't agree with Rick enough for reading the stilts post on temperatures for these chips.


Yep i have a socket fan 120mm on back of the socket which i cut out myself and i have a vantec fan card that has 2x 70mms cooling the front vrms it blows pretty good. Socket temps usely never get over 60c and vrm temps are usely 40s at load.
socket temps of 60c again to high try the mod I suggested here http://www.overclock.net/t/1519033/5-ghz-24-7-oc-club/110#post_23299260 and the post directly after it will help get those socket temps down along with also bring CPU temps down a few degrees since socket heat flows into the CPU temps and vice versa.

I can tell you firsthand my trick I posted about putting a thermal pad under your metal CPU socket backplate and removing the plastic spacer there will reduce temps by around 4c-5c alone I got a 8c-10c drop on my socket temps alone by just doing this and also got a 3c-4c CPU temp drop my ambients were identical before and after and let me tell you it was night and day. PLZ just be sure you use a thicker thermal pade like 0.5mm-1mm or so like http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-100mmx100mmx0-5mm-GPU-CPU-Heatsink-Cooling-Thermal-Conductive-Silicone-Pad-/190698880216?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6689fcd8 it is dirt cheap they have cheaper but this particular one I find very good for this if you use 1mm it gives more protection but also has reduced heat transfer I use 0.5mm myself.

Try making sure you are fresh air intaking into your rads this can lower coolant temps alot since you are not blowing preheated air thru the rads to cool the coolant and make sure you got more incoming air than exiting air going in and out of the case this will cause a swirl effect / turbulence inside case and increases the mixing of the cool air with the hotter air and makes the exhaust fans more efficient at getting the heat out.

Feel free if you got any other questions or anything just ask in the thread or VIA PM or whatever Minotaurtoo set this thread / club up specifically for this reason to help others and to also spread knowledge / info on such experiences and tricks.
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