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for a €3000 computer you are getting a 2gb mobile gpu that cant run any game at 5k :/ never mind overclocking :/

People that are even remotely interested in gaming or let alone overclocking aren't going to buy an iMac, this is just an easy plug and play workhorse with an amazing screen.
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for a €3000 computer you are getting a 2gb mobile gpu that cant run any game at 5k :/ never mind overclocking :/

i like Apple for pushing boundaries, I think macpro is genius. awesome 5k screen is welcome. i just wish their prices were more reasonable , specially for upgrades.

Here's the thing though, you don't need to run the games at 5k. The display is exactly 4x the resolution of the standard 2560x1440 27" iMacs. Play games at that resolution instead. They'll still look great and for everything else you've still got a 5k display. I really doubt that people buying these will be playing too many games on them. They'll mostly be bought by professionals looking to edit 4k pictures or video in full resolution and still have space onscreen for the editing tools.
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If i followed your instructions properly, my ideal screen density should be 1270.9? Because i kept seeing jaggies up till 150inches away. Or did i mix up something?

I'm being honest here, i don't know though, but there was still a kink in the lines, they were not perfect. (I did this with my glasses on btw, and they're really sharp)

My distance till the jaggies went away was 150 inches
Distance i normally sit from my laptop is 20 inches
My laptop has a 13" 1920x1080p IPS display

If anyone wants to do the calculation for me haha, i probably did something wrong.


Yup, you did everything right, it sounds like your glasses are serving you well.
I try to make my numbers a little more conservative because if you start throwing around anything bigger some people just ignore you.

The important thing we learn here, is that virtually everything "could" use a very high resolution screen, even your little laptop would benefit from 8K resolution.
Even though it's not the "maximum" screen fidelity that you could use, it's a huge improvement.

The issue of contention here is that your ability to see detail is limited by contrast. My test image is a "best case scenario" for seeing detail. If you darken your monitor, or use a nice grassy field for the background (introducing pattern noise), or introduce a lot of motion, you won't be able to see fine details nearly as well. Whether or not higher resolution is worth it all depends on your application. Movies are probably the last place you'll be able to use extra resolution (if only because they're not produced for it. Movies are commonly low contrast with lots of motion, as opposed to the 4K demos I've seen which are still or slow moving with high contrast).
Text, photographs, and most importantly for me, video games, should all readily take advantage of extra screen resolution.
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Makes sense thumb.gif, i'm all for high PPI tbh, but the cost these companies charge for such little increase in overall sharpness is what i do not support.
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People that are even remotely interested in gaming or let alone overclocking aren't going to buy an iMac, this is just an easy plug and play workhorse with an amazing screen.
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Here's the thing though, you don't need to run the games at 5k. The display is exactly 4x the resolution of the standard 2560x1440 27" iMacs. Play games at that resolution instead. They'll still look great and for everything else you've still got a 5k display. I really doubt that people buying these will be playing too many games on them. They'll mostly be bought by professionals looking to edit 4k pictures or video in full resolution and still have space onscreen for the editing tools.


what sort of a "workhorse" , let alone a 4k video editing workstation has i5 cpu, 8gb ram and 2 gb mobile gpu ? only on the max possible spec does this thing make sense (i7 4790k, 32GB ram, 512GB SSD, 4GB m290X ) . That's $4000 in US. Lot more in other countries.
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what sort of a "workhorse" , let alone a 4k video editing workstation has i5 cpu, 8gb ram and 2 gb mobile gpu ? only on the max possible spec does this thing make sense (i7 4790k, 32GB ram, 512GB SSD, 4GB m290X ) . That's $4000 in US. Lot more in other countries.

The kind that will be bought by many thousands of people. There's a market for this. The sales will prove it.
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it's not a workstation. it's for photoshop and for "professionals" ie administrators in academia or business fields who want crisp text and nice photos. it's a luxury product and for specialized use in the creative fields. the mac pro is a workstation
Edited by perfectblade - 10/19/14 at 8:29pm
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what sort of a "workhorse" , let alone a 4k video editing workstation has i5 cpu, 8gb ram and 2 gb mobile gpu ? only on the max possible spec does this thing make sense (i7 4790k, 32GB ram, 512GB SSD, 4GB m290X ) . That's $4000 in US. Lot more in other countries.

Why the 512GB SSD? The 1TB Fusion drive is a hybrid SSD/HDD drive, which is plenty fast. Also most content creation uses CPU more often than GPU so you also do not need the 295X.

Adobe suites, Final Cut, etc etc benefits from high resolution screens. I understand you only play games with your PC but please don't comment if you have no idea.
 
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what sort of a "workhorse" , let alone a 4k video editing workstation has i5 cpu, 8gb ram and 2 gb mobile gpu ? only on the max possible spec does this thing make sense (i7 4790k, 32GB ram, 512GB SSD, 4GB m290X ) . That's $4000 in US. Lot more in other countries.

Gamers, this is not the computer for them at all.
For editors, video makers, students, developers, this is more than enough even at the basic specs.

Not everyone need the full out best of the best. Especially if they are not making the most out of it anyway.

4K video editing can vary greatly. The people who do major work in 4K (film makers) will not get an iMac anyway but most likely a mac pro with a larger screen. For people who make semi professional movies, students, this is more than enough. Most of them will even have enough performance out of a rmbp 15.
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All I seeing here is bragging, and what a waste.
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