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Originally Posted by HypnotiK View Post

I'm just wondering, for gaming, will this price increase be justifiable by a noticeable increase in performance? Considering with iinversion's build, that'd be about 2500-2650 CAD (depending on pieces availability) and then I'd have to get the monitor which I'm guessing would be about 800, total of about 3300-3450.

No. It is not.

I have had this argument a couple of times.

For gaming there is no reason to buy X99 what so ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rctaLgK5stA

Keep in mind that the 4970K or even the 4960K both only have 16 lanes and will be running in 8x by 8x configuration anyways.
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Yeah the price difference really isn't that big in the end. I think what's going to kill me in the end is availability (e.g. the GPU which will sell for more since they are currently scarce).

Most of the components now make sense. I guess now it's mostly about the case setup, fan controller or not, which fans and the big piece: the monitor!

Although I really like the 650d, I'm a bit worried about airflow and especially with for the GPUs in SLI (even if I most likely won't OC much).

The price difference is huge.

You gotta keep in mind that you should not be comparing an i7 5820K with the i7 4970K.

You should be comparing it to the i5 4960K. The main difference between the i7 and the i5 is that the i7 has hyperthreading which makes no difference in games.

Since most games do not even take advantage of this feature, then it is a much more reasonable argument (FOR GAMING!!!) to compare the 6 core processor against the 4 core processor.

Here again, since most games do not even take advantage of 6 cores, then there is really no point.

The processor alone is a 170 dollar price difference.

The other thing to consider is the mobo. The cheapest z97 mobo that I would recommend (the asrock extreme 4) is 150 bucks. The cheapest X99 mobo that I would recommend (the asrock extreme 4 x99) is 250 bucks. So that is another 100 bucks.

For 16GB of DDR3 ram, you are looking at ~150. For 16GB of DDR4 memory, you are looking at 230 bucks at it's cheapest.

That is a difference of 350 bucks.

And since you only really need 8GB of DDR3 ram for z97, I would also like to make a note that your savings could be as high as 400 bucks.
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post #23 of 35
Considering OP wants 16GB and not a $150 ASRock mobo, he'd be looking around more around ~$300 difference, which is not huge when you're spending an upwards of $3000, but the fact still remains that if you're only gaming you only currently need an i5.

Personally, I'd spend the extra and get X99 because I find it pretty silly to spend $2000 - $3000 or more and only get an i5.

Maybe OP will want to do stuff that will make use of the extra cores + threads down the road, or there's also the chance that more games will come out that use more than 4 cores. I mean there is some already, but it's very limited as I already mentioned previously.

Plus, X99 E-Peen.
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Considering OP wants 16GB and not a $150 ASRock mobo, he'd be looking around more around ~$300 difference, which is not huge when you're spending an upwards of $3000, but the fact still remains that if you're only gaming you only currently need an i5.

Personally, I'd spend the extra and get X99 because I find it pretty silly to spend $2000 - $3000 or more and only get an i5.

Maybe OP will want to do stuff that will make use of the extra cores + threads down the road, or there's also the chance that more games will come out that use more than 4 cores. I mean there is some already, but it's very limited as I already mentioned previously.

Plus, X99 E-Peen.

The OP says he has no idea about the ram. He is afraid he may run out. That is a feeling, which is not a real tangible piece of evidence that justifies 16GB of ram.

You also seem to not understand the actual performance difference between 4 cores and 6 cores. Unless the OP decides to make an hour of video content every week, or if the OP suddenly decides to go do some really complex modeling, then the 6 core CPU is actually still overkill.

I think your argument is very rooted in common sense, and I can certainly respect that. The problem is that for the argument to be valid the OP would have to just outright either become a youtube partner or a civil engineer in order to make a 6 core cpu worth it. Is it possible that the Op will need a 6 core chip within a time frame of 3 years? Yes. Is is probable? No.

Also it is very unlikely that games will start taking advantage of 6 cores CPUs to the point where 4 core processors will become a bottle neck. I just do not see why game developers would want to alienate 4 core chip users.

My last point is that your comment about the mobo is moot. My example does somewhat scale. Here is the thing if you look at any z97 mobo that has a x99 counterpart, their price is off by roughly 100 bucks.

So the asus z97-a is about 140 bucks and the x99-a is about 270. So it is roughly a 130 dollar difference. The asus z97 deluxe and the x99 deluxe is off by 120 bucks.

Same thing applies to gigabyte, MSI, and several others. If you were to compare two identical model motherboards where the main difference was the socket/chipset, then generally speaking you see a price difference of 100-160 bucks.


In the end, I still do not see any reason to get x99 for a gaming machine.

Even if you have a budget of 10K, there is no reason to just go throw that money at performance that you might not even take full advantage of.

The budget is a constraint. It is not a goal.
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post #25 of 35
PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/9kwKNG
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/9kwKNG/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($358.78 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Eisberg 240L Prestige 60.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($114.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($184.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: Team Xtreem LV 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($164.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($223.98 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE 3X Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($421.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE 3X Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($421.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Corsair 780T ATX Full Tower Case ($189.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Antec 750W 80+ Platinum Certified ATX Power Supply ($108.95 @ Vuugo)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.95 @ Vuugo)
Total: $2210.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Better cooling.as good mobo,faster ram,better cooling on the 970gtx,as well a platinium psu,a bette case in my opinion

With this improved i saved 150cad

Another choice with amd almost the same performance(comes with 3 free games per card) and a 1000w psu


PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/F8jgCJ
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/F8jgCJ/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($358.78 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Eisberg 240L Prestige 60.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($114.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($184.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: Team Xtreem LV 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($164.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($223.98 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB PCS+ Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($347.00 @ TigerDirect Canada)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB PCS+ Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($347.00 @ TigerDirect Canada)
Case: Corsair 780T ATX Full Tower Case ($189.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Rosewill 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($159.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.95 @ Vuugo)
Total: $2111.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-17 10:33 EDT-0400


Or with x99 with you want 3 way sli or crossfire and will be faster on multitasking,and will be faster on 3d modelling,video editing and encoding,compressing files



PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/ZrmJNG
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/ZrmJNG/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($424.98 @ Newegg Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Eisberg 240L Prestige 60.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($114.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($293.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($269.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($223.98 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB PCS+ Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($347.00 @ TigerDirect Canada)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB PCS+ Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($347.00 @ TigerDirect Canada)
Case: Corsair 780T ATX Full Tower Case ($189.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Rosewill 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($159.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.95 @ Vuugo)
Total: $2371.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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post #26 of 35
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Thanks for the input guys, really appreciate it. thumb.gif

In light of the latest comments, a few points:

-I think the statement here that I might not have explained well in my OP, "The budget is a constraint, not a target". I did mention that I can go over it but that's not the goal. Wouldn't we all want the best pc possible for 500$?

-I'll most likely be following the advice given here and elsewhere and go with 8GB of ram (worst case scenario, I'll upgrade if needed down the road).

-Still no components bought so it's all up in the air at this point although I'm quite certain I'll stick with z97 for now.

Any additional input is welcome guys!
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Some great advice here, so I don't want to repeat anything if I don't need to, but here are my two cents:

  • Stick with a high end air cooler if you are going with the ATX full tower, you've got the room and the performance difference will be negligible. Air coolers also have the redundancy of dual fans and won't shoot liquid all over your system if they fail. If you have your heart set on an AIO, go with the Swiftech H220X or H240X (or the 240L they make for Cooler Master). These are the top shelf choices at the moment and have the added benefit of being upgradable with standard fittings a tubing.
  • If gaming is your focus, stick with Z97 and GTX 980s (or R9 290s) instead of X99 and GTX 970s. Much better gaming bang for your buck.
  • From Pontiac GTXs last post, the build with the Z97 board is an excellent setup, and leaves you $$ to move up to the GTX 980s if Maxwell appeals to you.

It's going to be a great build either way, have fun with it thumb.gif
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Thanks for the input guys, really appreciate it. thumb.gif

In light of the latest comments, a few points:

-I think the statement here that I might not have explained well in my OP, "The budget is a constraint, not a target". I did mention that I can go over it but that's not the goal. Wouldn't we all want the best pc possible for 500$?

-I'll most likely be following the advice given here and elsewhere and go with 8GB of ram (worst case scenario, I'll upgrade if needed down the road).

-Still no components bought so it's all up in the air at this point although I'm quite certain I'll stick with z97 for now.

Any additional input is welcome guys!
2000 to 2500usd is good enough for a pc for many uses and could last 4-6years with x99
post #29 of 35
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Thanks again for the help everyone.

It's been brought to my attention that in order to use the Asus PG278Q ROG swift to it's fullest, SLI gtx980 might be preferable (possibly needed). Now this would bump the GPU budget from 800-850 to 1400-1500 (CAD). So this is something I have to think about.

As a consequence, would it be better to go with a single gtx970 and wait for the next big release that can run this beast as a single? (might also consider buying a 24 inch 1080p screen with this and then upgrade with next big GPU+best monitor at that moment).

Another point is the case, I've received a few suggestions, I'm being picky here but I'm not set yet. I've just recently come across the 450d which looks awesome except I'm worried about space (for a good aka big air cpu cooler) as well as the noise level. Did check out the 780T but I don't like the looks of it.
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Well a 970gtx is 7% faster than a 290 but also 100usd more the 290s are good enough if you want raw performance and then sell it,it has 3 free games.plus gsync...it is a big tax for a monitor amd freesync.will be a cheaper alternative in h1 2015.meanwhile a qnix or x star that can be oced for 350usd is fine or just geta 970gtx now and if next amd cards are better sell it if not you can get another 970gtx and get a native 120hz monitor


There are many good cases,nzxt phantom 630,Cooler master haf 932,cooler master storm trooper,cooler master storm stryker,corsair 600T,rosewill blackhawk-ultra
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