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My video cards now are two Gigabte GTX 670 WF3's in SLI. One has the Arctic Cooling Hybrid Cooler and one has the Arctic Cooling Xtreme III cooling systems.

Would it be wise to sell my current cards and upgrade to either one GTX 970 or GTX 980? Do these cards overclock highly?
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Those cards overclocking like a boss...
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Those cards overclocking like a boss...

Which ones?
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http://www.overclock.net/t/1516121/gtx-970-comparison-strix-vs-msi-gaming-vs-gigabyte-g1

I'd suggest reading the OP of that thread. Some REALLY good info if you're just now looking into the 970s.

EDIT: The TL;DR would be that any of the three discussed in that thread are arguably the best overclockers, at least consistently and on an average. They are also some of the more expensive ones.
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Was your issue with the 780 or 780 ti purely the price? Because if it was then a 970 would give you a performance point somewhere in the middle of them for a lot less cost. However if your issue with the 780 was that it wasn't sufficiently faster (and in the case compared to SLI it was often slower) then it would seem that the 970 or 980 doesn't bring a whole lot.

To really get the benefit from a 970 compared to a 2x 670's you probably need to get 2. 1 will be faster in some circumstances, it will be a bit slower in others and its sort of a side grade. Once you bring overclocking into the frame I guess the 970/980 is probably going to pull ahead as they overclock pretty well but is that sufficient for extra performance in your mind? Why didn't you go to a 780 is a mighty good question to ask yourself because despite a few extra features the 970 is around about a 780 - 780 ti in performance.
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http://www.overclock.net/t/1516121/gtx-970-comparison-strix-vs-msi-gaming-vs-gigabyte-g1

I'd suggest reading the OP of that thread. Some REALLY good info if you're just now looking into the 970s.

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Thanks, I'll give that a read.
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Was your issue with the 780 or 780 ti purely the price? Because if it was then a 970 would give you a performance point somewhere in the middle of them for a lot less cost. However if your issue with the 780 was that it wasn't sufficiently faster (and in the case compared to SLI it was often slower) then it would seem that the 970 or 980 doesn't bring a whole lot.

To really get the benefit from a 970 compared to a 2x 670's you probably need to get 2. 1 will be faster in some circumstances, it will be a bit slower in others and its sort of a side grade. Once you bring overclocking into the frame I guess the 970/980 is probably going to pull ahead as they overclock pretty well but is that sufficient for extra performance in your mind? Why didn't you go to a 780 is a mighty good question to ask yourself because despite a few extra features the 970 is around about a 780 - 780 ti in performance.

Well no, I bought the GTX 670's even without the 780's being out and I just follow the rule-of-thumb of upgrading 2 generations ahead so I skipped the 780's. I didn't need that much of a "performance" back then but I realized today tht the 670's are losing their value already so I thought of selling them to get the latest series.

Are 980's not that bang-for-the-buck yet?
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Thanks, I'll give that a read.
Well no, I bought the GTX 670's even without the 780's being out and I just follow the rule-of-thumb of upgrading 2 generations ahead so I skipped the 780's. I didn't need that much of a "performance" back then but I realized today tht the 670's are losing their value already so I thought of selling them to get the latest series.

Are 980's not that bang-for-the-buck yet?

Depends on what your definition of bang for the buck is. Its basically last years performance cheaper and quieter. Its not really a two generation jump its more like a second refresh.

The 680's were a new architecture on a new process, 28nm. Prior to that the cards were 40nm and its that increase in transistors that the new process brought that increased performance so much. The 780 and the 970 are still 28nm. The 780 is arguably what should have been the 680, it was the big chip that instead of selling to consumers ended up only in high compute nodes for a year. Only once that market was saturated did the 780 come out for the consumer market, but it was a design built around the same architecture step as the 680. Its marketed as a "refresh" card but considering when it was designed it can't be. The 970/980 is thus the refresh card in this context. Its a genuine improvement on the same silicon process (28nm) so its more a tweak than it is a massive jump. The thing is that this time its a whole new architecture, the reason for which is that 20nm was abandoned and 14nm is thus a little bit late in comparison. So the 2 years/2 generations thing has kind of broken this year and its hopefully next year that the 14nm cards come out and bring you the level of performance jump you have come to expect from the 2 generation rule.

The rule to apply IMO is to follow the silicon process jumps and make sure the card isn't a lemon.
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Depends on what your definition of bang for the buck is. Its basically last years performance cheaper and quieter. Its not really a two generation jump its more like a second refresh.

The 680's were a new architecture on a new process, 28nm. Prior to that the cards were 40nm and its that increase in transistors that the new process brought that increased performance so much. The 780 and the 970 are still 28nm. The 780 is arguably what should have been the 680, it was the big chip that instead of selling to consumers ended up only in high compute nodes for a year. Only once that market was saturated did the 780 come out for the consumer market, but it was a design built around the same architecture step as the 680. Its marketed as a "refresh" card but considering when it was designed it can't be. The 970/980 is thus the refresh card in this context. Its a genuine improvement on the same silicon process (28nm) so its more a tweak than it is a massive jump. The thing is that this time its a whole new architecture, the reason for which is that 20nm was abandoned and 14nm is thus a little bit late in comparison. So the 2 years/2 generations thing has kind of broken this year and its hopefully next year that the 14nm cards come out and bring you the level of performance jump you have come to expect from the 2 generation rule.

The rule to apply IMO is to follow the silicon process jumps and make sure the card isn't a lemon.

Got it. My monitor is just a 1080p 120Hz though, so I'm wondering if a 970 SLI would be worth it as an upgrade path. I'm reading that a 970 SLI is way better than a single 980 in terms of performance-to-price ratio. Will a 970 SLI kill a 670 SLI?
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Got it. My monitor is just a 1080p 120Hz though, so I'm wondering if a 970 SLI would be worth it as an upgrade path. I'm reading that a 970 SLI is way better than a single 980 in terms of performance-to-price ratio. Will a 970 SLI kill a 670 SLI?

When I look at the reviews comparing a 690 (which is basically between 2x 670 and 2x680 in terms of performance) and compare it to the 970 sli I think its a decent upgrade, the 2x 970 is more or less twice as fast in the games that are scaling well. That is in and around my personal preference for the sort of upgrade one should take, 2x is a good factor of additional performance where you can get 60hz level graphics at 120hz or 60hz gaming in heavy games with some lovely graphics depending on what you want compared to today. In addition that extra VRAM will relieve some of the issues you are probably seeing in games like Shadows of Mordor.

its the exact upgrade I am considering now that the waterblocks for them are out.
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