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Only a terrorist would have something to hide and would want everything encrypted...

...you're not a terrorist, are you?

This is the most foolish thing I have ever heard. shame I hear it alot.
post #52 of 93
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This is the most foolish thing I have ever heard. shame I hear it alot.

I think he was just being sarcastic lol (I hope)

Though it is troubling to hear that kind of ideology in public
    
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post #53 of 93
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Originally Posted by gsa700 View Post

Guys, this FBI guy is nuts.

They are just trying to scare people. Listen, what is on a phone that is evidence? Calls? Texts? Voice mails? GPS location data? All of those can be had with a warrant served on your cell service provider.

These FBI fools want people to believe that suddenly they can't do there job because of disk encryption? Please.

They hate disk encryption because it makes their jobs easier if you don't have it. If you are a US citizen, you have a right to privacy and not to incriminate yourself. Disk encryption is a means to that end and they hate it.

Many criminals, even otherwise very talented ones, are very foolish in regards to computer security. For example: many child porn traffickers are caught with boat-loads of evidence because they are running windows XP on a 2003 era system without even a password. You may think I'm kidding but I assure you I am not. People are very unprepared when it comes to securing their effects.

That is why I applaud Apple and Google for doing this. Not to protect criminals, but regular citizens of which there are far more.

Some of you guys want to bury your head in the sand and pretend privacy isn't under attack. I urge you to take a closer look and change your minds.

Exactly... +1

I don't usually pipe up on these sort of posts, but in this case I feel I have to. I for one like the fact that Apple and Google are encrypting their phones. Police have done their jobs for decades without cell phone's as evidence to convict someone, so why do they need it now? I think a person's privacy should be more important than allowing police to have immediate access to your phone in the off chance that a primal has some kind of incriminating evidence on their phone that might hep the police that will aide them in an investigation. The whole point is that you have to be found guilty, not that they just grab your phone and find some data that might incriminate you. I mean sure, in the perfect world maybe it would work like that, but the point of Apple and Google encrypting your phone is not to "F" the police, it is to protect their customers in the event their phone is stolen or lost. The making the police's jobs harder is just an unfortunate side effect or promoting security for their customers.

Also, every day there are events, people, and other things that make my job harder and no one is crying up a storm saying XYZ company should do things to make my job easier, so why should this scenario be any different? After all isn't that why we pay taxes. so that we can have a trained, and skillful police force work to solve crimes, not just to look at my phone and say I was near a crime to incriminate me?
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post #54 of 93
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Originally Posted by TheReciever View Post

I think he was just being sarcastic lol (I hope)

Though it is troubling to hear that kind of ideology in public

Completely sarcastic. That seems to be the mentality of those who advocate for less and less privacy. If you're not doing anything wrong, why would you need to hide anything?

Wonder if Mr. FBI is gonna take up Glenn Greenwald's nothing-to-hide challenge?

http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/10/13/6963621/edward-snowden-national-security-agency-nsa-glenn-greenwald-privacy
post #55 of 93
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Originally Posted by krel View Post

Completely sarcastic. That seems to be the mentality of those who advocate for less and less privacy. If you're not doing anything wrong, why would you need to hide anything?

Wonder if Mr. FBI is gonna take up Glenn Greenwald's nothing-to-hide challenge?

http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/10/13/6963621/edward-snowden-national-security-agency-nsa-glenn-greenwald-privacy
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post #56 of 93
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Originally Posted by Thready View Post

I'm saying it to him because he said it to me genius. If you took the time to read what I was replying to then you'd understand that, but you didn't. You wanted to argue with me simply because I'm not playing the "big bad gubment" game on this thread, which is getting ridiculous.

Define hypocrisy, accuse me of not reading your post then post a reply that clearly doesn't read my post. Most of my response will be simply quoting myself.
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None of your arguments are good arguments by the way. Our innocence until proven guilty has nothing to do with warranted procedures done by the FBI. The FBI can obtain a warrant to search an innocent person's phone or house. They do it all the time.

You're right they can. And as part of that warrant they can force you to give over the key to decrypt the data. Refusing to comply with the court order would be no different to denying any other legal warrant. But please, don't bother actually address any of my arguments.
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If you must be found guilty before they obtain a warrant then why obtain the warrant in the first place? Warrants would be meaningless. The FBI does not want to perform warrantless taps on phones. They don't want to illegally unlock phones. If you think they do then you're a conspiracy theorist.
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Guess what, LE bend and break the rules. Otherwise you'd have to believe that no gov't agency would illegally mass gather information for data mining and no beat cop would start looking through your phone.



If LE were so absolutely trust worthy there would be no need for things like the exclusionary rule. The rule exists because LE has a long history of illegally gathering evidence.

But you know, I'm a conspiracy theorist.

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You, like some of the knee jerk reaction types on here, seem to think that the FBI is somehow going to start prying on people's personal lives and that's irrational. Apple and Google need to have a failsafe mechanism built in to where they can manually open a phone if the phone is evidence in a crime. That's all that the FBI wants. They want to be able to open phones that are piece of evidence in crimes.

please read:
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Guess what, LE bend and break the rules. Otherwise you'd have to believe that no gov't agency would illegally mass gather information for data mining and no beat cop would start looking through your phone. If they're entire case/tracking of a terrorist is dependent on a the data on phone, their case is either incredibly weak; they're failing to do their jobs; or there is no threat.

But if I need to be less subtle about it, Give the FBI free and unlimited access and their very recent history will repeat. The links I posted above should be enough illustrate that.
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And what are you even arguing with me about in the first place? You seem to be bringing up counterpoints to points I never made.
What do you people honestly think is going to happen if the FBI is allowed to unlock phones? You are all about privacy until you're the victim of a crime, like the celebrities who got hacked, then you want the police to do their job. The police can't do their job if they have no access to the evidence.

Again, please read:
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There are many reasons to encrypt your phone (and computer). One reason is keeping law enforcement from violating your constitutional rights.
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Another would to keep a malicious hacker from trying to get your data. Identity theft happens and stolen phones happen. Anything I can do to protect myself is s a good thing.

The last paragraph of my post was more pointed to one ideas put forth in the article that only people looking to protect themselves are "bad guys" and that somehow protecting ourselves will let the "bad guys" win.
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Here's my point for those who can't or will not read due to either intellectual difficulties or willful ignorance because they want to jump on the anti government bandwagon. The FBI needs to be able to unlock phones that are used in crimes. That's what they're trying to get Apple and Google to let them do. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. People who think this will lead to Orwell's 1984 are stupid. I hate to sound mean, but they're stupid. The government is not going to start prying in on our lives. They have no reason to. The NSA needs to be disbanded, all other agencies are doing their job. If you argue with this, then you're coming from a premise of already thinking that the government is out to get us, and that's an invalid premise.

Ah, yes the pinnacle of civil and intellectual conversations, calling people stupid if they disagree with you.
Edited by serothis - 10/17/14 at 9:12pm
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post #57 of 93
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Only a terrorist would have something to hide and would want everything encrypted...

...you're not a terrorist, are you?

You're absolutely right. And while we're at it, can we stop putting mail in those stupid envelopes that no one can see through. And geez, curtains and blinds...who needs 'em? If I can't see into your house at night, you must have something to hide.
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There's no hope for this country.
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Originally Posted by 5entinel View Post

Cleaned - could we not bring in politics in here please?
This subject is political. It's also incredibly important that people know about and discuss this. Wouldn't it be pertinent to let the rules slide in favor of allowing people to discuss one of their civil rights being violated by their government?

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Cleaned - could we not bring in politics in here please?
Politics dictate the fbi, and via the trickle down effect, said politics dictate us.... Not trying to troll here but I think its reasonable to have some political insight here.

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Precisely what The receiver said below. Not trying to be a jerk here or anything, but don't try to bring up the political aspect of this topic. It's really not hard to keep the discussion security/privacy/technology related. I know these days tech and politics are mixed together, but the owner of the sites likes to keep things tech related. Not only that, but it's against the rules, and well, we are a computer enthusiast based forum and aren't a political site. Sorry
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Politics dictate the fbi, and via the trickle down effect, said politics dictate us.... Not trying to troll here but I think its reasonable to have some political insight here.

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Or we can focus on the technological aspect of how it can be done, how to prevent etc etc.

Just because the technology and politics can go hand in hand, doesnt mean we need to focus on the political aspect. As its not aloud here and frankly out of our hands. We cant dictate what the FBI wants to do.

Frankly, discussing how it can be done would be far more valuable here. Thats just my own opinion on the subject though...
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We'll all be dead from the ebolol before they build the matrix for us.

On topic though, I'd like to walk right into that mans house and look in all his chests of drawers and scrutinize his HD and web traffic.
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Precisely what The receiver said below. Not trying to be a jerk here or anything, but don't try to bring up the political aspect of this topic. It's really not hard to keep the discussion security/privacy/technology related. I know these days tech and politics are mixed together, but the owner of the sites likes to keep things tech related. Not only that, but it's against the rules, and well, we are a computer enthusiast based forum and aren't a political site. Sorry

You know something...who does own this site? This no politics rule is getting pretty ridiculous considering the political poop storm we live in today IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO TECHNOLOGY.
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