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[VC] FBI Director: If Apple and Google Won't Decrypt Phones, We'll Force Them To

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http://motherboard.vice.com/read/fbi-director-if-apple-and-google-wont-decrypt-phones-well-force-them-to
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"It might be time to ask: Where are we, as a society? Are we no longer a country governed by the rule of law, where no one is above or beyond that law?," he said, without irony. "Are we so mistrustful of government-and of law enforcement-that we are willing to let bad guys walk away?"

"Congress might have to force this on companies," he said. "Maybe they'll take the hint and do it themselves."
This is getting hilariously ridiculous.

Every week, the leader of the FBI sounds more and more like a comic book supervillian.
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wait...people can actually be secure in their [digital] effects? Woah.
 
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Windows Phone everybody...
 
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FBI Director is flubbing up. The difference between the US and Russia has always been the USA hides their work while Russia uses it to scare everyone.
 
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FBI Director is flubbing up. The difference between the US and Russia has always been the USA hides their work while Russia uses it to scare everyone.
Damn straight. I may have a tin foil hat on now (actually I'd have a safe lead lined one) but this seems like a joke to convince people that they can trust Google and the rest with whatever encryption methods are default on these phones. I mean what are they even using? AES 256? I'm sure the FBI has the ability to break that...or they'll have to beg their buddies the CIA or NSA. Either way, the only real reason he's saying this is because it will create a slight inconvenience for them. But, if they really want your info they'll break in when you have it turned on and connected to something.
 
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"Nothing to fear, nothing to hide".

Truecrypt has been declared as not being secured, and there has been a security audit going on for quite some yet, they refuse to disclose what this security risk supposedly is.

Meanwhile Microsoft wants you to use their home-brew encryption, and oh yeah, the NSA is hounding at them to put a backdoor in Windows.

So lets see. Truecrypt: open-source (not really, but close enough) can be audited by *anyone* yet is has NEVER been audited successfully yet. Mysteriously a "Security issue" is found that they will NOT disclose.
And being open source, planting a backdoor would be difficult.

And in the other corner, we have Bitlocker, a proprietary software, and may-or-may-not already have a backdoor...propably not considering, but it is being shoved down our throats and the NSA would LOVE to get it's hand in Microsoft's pants.

Oh, and on a side note, let's talk about how the FBI is the biggest distributor of porn and create the very problem they are trying to stop.
 
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Dude is clearly in wrong country... I mean Korea/Russia yeah, but seems like he's barking up on wrong tree being in US.
Last time I checked the US was the country with the largest spying program in the world *NSA*

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"Nothing to fear, nothing to hide".
Unless you're the government of course
 
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Originally Posted by smitty5569 View Post

Last time I checked the US was the country with the largest spying program in the world *NSA*
Curious, which is actually bigger? US or China?
 
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What's scary about this is that this is the opinion of the freakin' DIRECTOR of the freakin' FBI. We're not talking about some nutjob in a cabin in the woods writing his manifesto here... this is a guy in a top position of power who is making these statements.
 
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Originally Posted by Master__Shake View Post

his whole argument is tantamount to "WAAAHHHHHHHHHH".

poor thing someone better burp him and give him a nap or else he'll be cranky for ever.

i think, if the founding fathers saw what their dream HAD become, they'd me totally ok with british rule.
I fixed it for you
 
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Originally Posted by aweir View Post

It IS Orwellian. When are we going to stop living in denial???

"Nothing to fear, nothing to hide".

Truecrypt has been declared as not being secured, and there has been a security audit going on for quite some yet, they refuse to disclose what this security risk supposedly is.

Meanwhile Microsoft wants you to use their home-brew encryption, and oh yeah, the NSA is hounding at them to put a backdoor in Windows.

So lets see. Truecrypt: open-source (not really, but close enough) can be audited by *anyone* yet is has NEVER been audited successfully yet. Mysteriously a "Security issue" is found that they will NOT disclose.
And being open source, planting a backdoor would be difficult.

And in the other corner, we have Bitlocker, a proprietary software, and may-or-may-not already have a backdoor...propably not considering, but it is being shoved down our throats and the NSA would LOVE to get it's hand in Microsoft's pants.
Backdoors are built into Windows and as such the NSA doesn't need MS to provide them; they just wish MS would tell them of the backdoors so they didn't have to find them.

Open source is great but it's weakness is that just because anyone can audit the source code...doesn't mean anyone will. It's better than closed but without funding or interest people will assume and that allows bugs and exploits to survive. So, you could plant a backdoor in FOSS/OSS material and get away with it until someone finally audits and catches it.

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Curious, which is actually bigger? US or China?
US is probably bigger but China is probably more focused. The US has the whole "catch everything sort it out later" mantra while China seems to have a "these are the targets catch and follow only what connects to them to keep focus".
 
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shouldn't they just ban encryption by this logic? making something slightly easier to do is not a legal issue...
 
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shouldn't they just ban encryption by this logic? making something slightly easier to do is not a legal issue...
pretty sure banks and corporations have more to lose by banning encryption than regular people.

since most corps have their hand in congresses pockets probably not going to happen.

and if they say its just for people and not corps remember corporations are people too.
 
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What bothers me the most is that they think they are entitled to this power.
 
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show me your cards and I might show you mine.

I don't see them offering anything in return as far as showing us their private information.

this will only lead to more divide between actual people(not corps) and the powers that be.
 
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After some though I actually maybe would agree with him to some extent. The unbreakable/hackable communications is an extreme threat to national security of any country. It's a matter of scale, but if I think about where I live and knowing that communication is the worst enemy when there's are terrorist neighbors and I'm kind with him on that.
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The NSA requesting a backdoor to all software is like them requesting a lock maker to provide a spare key to them for every lock ever made.
There are a lot of those spare keys actually, metaphorically speaking.
The software and encryption is a lot harder, you can't just pile enough C4 until it opens...
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Last time I checked the US was the country with the largest spying program in the world *NSA*
It is true for now maybe. Your sentence lacks an ending - reveled/leaked, for now.

Do you seriously think that Russia/China is behind US in this? The only difference is that their "Snowden" wouldn't be alive longer than 2 sentences revealing secrets.
The difference being also that it is not common and or something that would be done. Simply because of the life-style and living in those countries in general. If I was in his position in Russia I would rather want high payed job than revealing where Putin put in.

P.S. Yea, include Israel in that list too. I highly doubt Israel doesn't have "presence" in every country. Well maybe Latvia, who cares what goes in Latvia
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After the NSA leaks, all the spy agencies and their privacy violations are beginning to crawl out of hiding. Today I even saw on the news that CSIS Canada's spy agency is pushing to try to gain legal access to NSA records among other allied countries records such as Australia and UK. Now that these agencies know nothing can be done to stop their spying, they don't give a damn if people know anymore.
 
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