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Oh yea in a french forum the guys were talking about dying capacitors, some of them even mentioned that if you open your monitors chances are you will seee some or one capacitor leaking ! replacing it could get messy, these days seems like just opening a monitor could be hard to without damaging, like most electronic devices they're made in a way that's like "do not touch/open"

But.. i got some electronic knowledge and a soldering tool smile.gif, "DC filter caps " mmh yea so on power unit or something..some guy also mentioned he opened his monitor and couldn't find it .. which could explain if it's on the power unit.. hidden somewhere, if you decide to dig deeper and manage to replace it, would be nice if you could keep me updated biggrin.gif

Yea I heard of those korean monitors, it did seemed tempting at first, well one thing that was surely holding me back would have been the price not so much the direct price but the investment in GPU's in order to get stable frame rate at that resolution, are you really running a 7950 at that resolution or did you forgot to update your sig ?

A bit blurry I wouldn't mind, not so much about competitiveness but mostly for visual confort personally, I play alot of BF4 and some other fast paced FPS and I wouldn't enjoy noticeable ghosting on my future screen.

I got used to play with Vsync on though.. I know there is the whole mouse lag thing issue, looked it up and seems there is not much you can do to avoid it.. in BF4 sometimes it just feels like my aim is crap/ dodgy as hell especially in close quarters encounters where you move your move fast.

But no I'm pretty sure it's the mouse lag and of course playing without Vsync causes so much tearing that's it's out of the question for me at 60hz, I'm glad to see that the more HZ the less you see tearing !

I would be really curious to see the ghosting for myself on those Qnix monitors !! and even just the monitor itself..

I just got a job, not sure when I will start really working the guy said probably near december, so might have to wait until then, at least to buy the required GPU power, I could get a second hand r9 290 for the mean time (if I got that screen).

I heard rumors of flicker also at higher refresh/overclocked rates on these monitors, any truth to that ? maybe they pushed it too far ?

I suppose overclocking it isn't much harder than overclocking a CPU also tongue.gif

Oh and one last thing, what about dead Pixels policy ?

Also heard of backlight "bleeding" that sounded annoying when watching movies.

I heard alot of people say "get it on ebay" but then do you still benefit from some kind of warranty, and if possible dead pixel warranty.

From amazon :

Please check out before buying.
- Only for PC monitor (one DUAL LINK DVI-D port)
- Qnix monitor Defective standard (up to 5 white pixels are normal)
- By-Pass model (No Ad board in monitor - Monitor use graphic card resource)
- PC graphic board should surport DVI-D(Dual link DVI)
- On-board graphic card can not support WQHD.
- PC graphic card should surport QHD(2560x1440)

Mmh 5 dead pixels ? or just white pixels

Also dual DVI is there a special cable for that ?

Lol so many questions sorry

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/QNIX-QX2710-LED-Evolution-ll-SE-Matte-27-SAMSUNG-PLS-2560x1440-WQHD-PC-Monitor-/111258830737?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item19e78b0791

5 pixels warranty, it does says check our store for dead pixel free monitor redface.gif hope the premium isn't too expensive.. gonna look that up, also I guess this evolution II SE matte thing isn't a bad thing.. actually just looking on the official Qnix 1440p thread and it says SE might mean failed test.. lol

Here is a "perfect pixel"

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/QNIX-QX2710-LED-Evolution-ll-Matte-Perfect-Pixel-27-2560x1440-PLS-PC-Monitor-/111088789065?hash=item19dd686649&pt=Computer_Monitors

version.. mmh, gonna investigate more smile.gif.
Edited by StrongForce - 10/18/14 at 8:22am
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I have the 7950 and it works great @ 1440. You already have 3gb of VRAM and more than enough GPU power. I also have a 290 and the waterblock for it, just haven't added it into my system yet. But I never have a single frame drop with my 7950 in BF4, overall runs great.

The XStar and Qnix monitors are the same, I got mine on ebay from DreamSeller. If you want a overclocking model, you must get the one that only has DVI. You do not what a scaler chip, plus your GPU can act as a scaler anyways. Not all screens are the same, for me I didn't get any dead pixels. My Back light bleed isn't bad ether, though others have had a fair share of it. My only dislike about the panel I got is that overclocked @ 96hz causes the top right part of the screen to have kind of a burn in effect. Not permanent or anything, just things like task bar of web browser will stick to the screen for a short time. Running @ 60hz does not do this, and not all panels do. Playing a game or anything that has a moving picture will not be effected. And switching back to 60hz when at the desktop can fix it for you as well, i'm just lazy and don't like to take the time to switch the desktop back to 96hz when playing games that rely on your desktop HZ for in game. Some games like BF4 lets you pick the HZ in game, but TitanFall does not. I get no flicker though, That would be something I could not stand if I did. Really these monitors are more about playing the lottery than anything, but I would play it again considering how much I like mine. 1440p is amazing.


Dual Link DVI is a thicker cable, but any 120/144hz monitor will also require the use of a DL DVI cable.
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Also

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CrossOver-290M-LG-IPS-LED-2560x1080-QHD-DVI-D-21-9-cineview-29-Computer-Monitor-/221514810120?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item33934fc308

One of these is another interesting monitor to consider.

Goes upto 75hz without Overclock iirc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuXA_qvkH2c

Monitor itself has a vary nice build quality to it, so that is a huge plus.
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What lol what settings you run on BF4, I get frame drops to 40's in some maps (pearl market, propaganda) mostly new maps it seems though.. with a mix of meds to high (high textures) no aa, no aa post, hard to remember all settings ..

Mmh yea not sure I wanna play that lotery frown.gif what if I have a couple bad pixels, or horrible backlight bleed frown.gif maybe warranty could still work then.. lol win or loose.

Cable I would have to buy it I guess..

Oh and it seems that seller..it says you can send it back for 30 days.. but buyer have to pay the shipping, now I just wonder how much is shipping to korea, could be worth a try, if I'm really disapointed, send it back ! just hope they can't check if you have overclocked it or what..

But it certainly sounds very tempting..
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What lol what settings you run on BF4, I get frame drops to 40's in some maps (pearl market, propaganda) mostly new maps it seems though.. with a mix of meds to high (high textures) no aa, no aa post, hard to remember all settings ..

Mmh yea not sure I wanna play that lotery frown.gif what if I have a couple bad pixels, or horrible backlight bleed frown.gif maybe warranty could still work then.. lol win or loose.

Cable I would have to buy it I guess..

Oh and it seems that seller..it says you can send it back for 30 days.. but buyer have to pay the shipping, now I just wonder how much is shipping to korea, could be worth a try, if I'm really disapointed, send it back ! just hope they can't check if you have overclocked it or what..

But it certainly sounds very tempting..

Well those 1440p ones are less likely to have deal pixels than backlight bleed. If it is too bad, you can probably get it replaced or just send it back. But you are still playing the lottery, The Samsung PLS panel used in the monitor is the same ones apple uses in their displays. And even those have been known to have BackLight bleed problems time to time. They are great screen when you get a good one though.

Otherwise there are other vendors that sell 1440p monitor that are not nearly as susceptible, like from Crossover.

Though even that ultrawide crossover I listed above is less likely to have problems, as the panel isn't really known to be as troublesome.


I run BF4 maxed, no MSAA. I also use mantle. Mantle is a must when it comes to 64player maps, as it takes away those pesky frame drops caused by your CPU. Game is pretty CPU heavy in those scenarios.
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I can only second the notion to get a monitor with lightboost/benq blur reduction/nvidia ulmb/eizo 240hz/etc. it's basically CRT emulation, rapidly turning off the monitor back-light between frames.

P.S. lightboost is sort of old and was originally a thing invented to help nvidia's shutter glasses 3D mode, so it comes with color changes that can't be disabled, that were meant to make the colors better for 3D glasses use. Then people figured out to use it for low motion blur c:
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Oh I never really tryed mantle much more than that as I didn't notice much difference I'll have to try in this worst case scenario like you said !

I mean in high the frames drops to 40 which is already quite noticeable for me so I wonder about you, perhaps you just care less, but for me as soon as it drops to 50's i start noticing something weird, looks all a bit shaky

And indeed lightboost might be more tempting.. due to no lottery only downside going to be my lack of 16:10 if i go that route frown.gif, oh well, geez, I could always get that for now and buy a real 144hz IPS-type when it releases since I'll have a job by then anyway lol ! biggrin.gif


Since my screen is still working I'm still tempted to try the Qnix though.. and if it's really that bad can send it back meh.

gee hesitation hesitation (first world problems eh? ) lol
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Oh I never really tryed mantle much more than that as I didn't notice much difference I'll have to try in this worst case scenario like you said !

I mean in high the frames drops to 40 which is already quite noticeable for me so I wonder about you, perhaps you just care less, but for me as soon as it drops to 50's i start noticing something weird, looks all a bit shaky

And indeed lightboost might be more tempting.. due to no lottery only downside going to be my lack of 16:10 if i go that route frown.gif, oh well, geez, I could always get that for now and buy a real 144hz IPS-type when it releases since I'll have a job by then anyway lol ! biggrin.gif


Since my screen is still working I'm still tempted to try the Qnix though.. and if it's really that bad can send it back meh.

gee hesitation hesitation (first world problems eh? ) lol

Mantel is more about getting rid of the CPU bottleneck than gaining FPS. If you already have more than enough CPU power, mantle will not help. In games like BF4, Mantle is helping most when it comes to Min FPS and frame drops. On multiplayer on 64player maps, the difference is huge. Even on the highest end CPU's. Min Frame Rate is more important than max or avg IMO. And this is what Mantle shines at. IMO there really is no reason you shouldn't be using it, especially when you have a AMD FX chip. I'm also running a intel Chip and have a good deal more single thread power, so my frame drops with no mantel was never that bad. Personally BF4 plays like butter.


Lightboost or high Hz monitors are the way to go, just can't recommend getting one that is only 1080p. They do make 1440p lightboost monitors, but cost $$(ASUS PG278Q, not IPS though).

I used to use a 16:10 (1680x1050) monitor back in the day, But moved to a 1080p one and never regretted it. Most media content is already in 16:9, and games these days seem to like 16:9 better. @ 1440p 16:9 won't even phase you, as you are working with a desktop area so large.
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Oh yea in a french forum the guys were talking about dying capacitors, some of them even mentioned that if you open your monitors chances are you will seee some or one capacitor leaking ! replacing it could get messy, these days seems like just opening a monitor could be hard to without damaging, like most electronic devices they're made in a way that's like "do not touch/open"

But.. i got some electronic knowledge and a soldering tool smile.gif, "DC filter caps " mmh yea so on power unit or something..some guy also mentioned he opened his monitor and couldn't find it .. which could explain if it's on the power unit.. hidden somewhere, if you decide to dig deeper and manage to replace it, would be nice if you could keep me updated biggrin.gif

When I opened mine up, I did not see any thing leaking or puffed up but from all the research i have done, the caps that they used were cheap and they are highly likely to be quite far out of tolerance. I am currently saving this project of replacing the caps for a snowy day.

My BLB was pretty bad when I got my Qnix but it was quite easy to fix which I had to basically open it up and try the "tape mod" but I found it made things worse until a member on the Qnix thread suggested that I bend the metal frame that the panel sits in which was bent. Once I got it flat, the major bleeding went away but there is still some very minor leakage which is to be expected. I opted for a Pixel perfect and this varies from seller to seller (read the fine print) since pixel perfect does not always mean "perfect"; they may state that there can be 1-2 dead/stuck pixels and still be considered pixel perfect. In my case I bought from a seller that stated that pixel perfect = 0 dead/stuck pixels which I got for $325. I actually did fine one which was in the upper corner and sent it to the seller. He agreed to replace it or give me $25 back and I agreed to the $25 back because I didn't feel like taking another chance on another panel since mine to 110hz without any issues and 120Hz worked but gave me a couple patches of odd pixels which I think could be solved if I used a 3ft cable instead of a 6ft one.

Most of the Qnix and X-star monitors will do 96Hz without a hitch out of the box. Getting to 110/120 might require custom timings and a thick 24AWG cable might help with overclocking. The shorter the better or at the end of the day, the panel just won't do 110/120 at all. The luck of the draw.

When I was looking for my monitor back 6 months ago, I was considering some 30" 1600p 16:10 ones but those tend to have CCFL back lighting which makes them hot during operation and bulky, and these tend to have high amounts IPS glow on them. i am really glad that gambled and went with the Qnix because it really seems to be very nice middle ground between performance being able to run above 60Hz, the colors were so much better then my old ASUS, the matte coating is great which is a semigloss and is very light, and the higher pixel density.

The Qnix thread here on OCN had helped out very much along with those one http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/monitor-reviews-discussion/13500-qnix-qx2710-review-2560x1440-matte-overclock-able-pls.html. Also on that site, that have done some very good reviews of other monitors along with some other Qnix/X-star alternatives for one of those people that must have a glossy screen since the Qnix/X-star ones are so high since they stopped making pure glossy panels and instead decided to put a glass over a matte panel.
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yea 1440p seem like it won't bother to have 16:9 like you said..
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When I opened mine up, I did not see any thing leaking or puffed up but from all the research i have done, the caps that they used were cheap and they are highly likely to be quite far out of tolerance. I am currently saving this project of replacing the caps for a snowy day.

My BLB was pretty bad when I got my Qnix but it was quite easy to fix which I had to basically open it up and try the "tape mod" but I found it made things worse until a member on the Qnix thread suggested that I bend the metal frame that the panel sits in which was bent. Once I got it flat, the major bleeding went away but there is still some very minor leakage which is to be expected. I opted for a Pixel perfect and this varies from seller to seller (read the fine print) since pixel perfect does not always mean "perfect"; they may state that there can be 1-2 dead/stuck pixels and still be considered pixel perfect. In my case I bought from a seller that stated that pixel perfect = 0 dead/stuck pixels which I got for $325. I actually did fine one which was in the upper corner and sent it to the seller. He agreed to replace it or give me $25 back and I agreed to the $25 back because I didn't feel like taking another chance on another panel since mine to 110hz without any issues and 120Hz worked but gave me a couple patches of odd pixels which I think could be solved if I used a 3ft cable instead of a 6ft one.

Most of the Qnix and X-star monitors will do 96Hz without a hitch out of the box. Getting to 110/120 might require custom timings and a thick 24AWG cable might help with overclocking. The shorter the better or at the end of the day, the panel just won't do 110/120 at all. The luck of the draw.

When I was looking for my monitor back 6 months ago, I was considering some 30" 1600p 16:10 ones but those tend to have CCFL back lighting which makes them hot during operation and bulky, and these tend to have high amounts IPS glow on them. i am really glad that gambled and went with the Qnix because it really seems to be very nice middle ground between performance being able to run above 60Hz, the colors were so much better then my old ASUS, the matte coating is great which is a semigloss and is very light, and the higher pixel density.

The Qnix thread here on OCN had helped out very much along with those one http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/monitor-reviews-discussion/13500-qnix-qx2710-review-2560x1440-matte-overclock-able-pls.html. Also on that site, that have done some very good reviews of other monitors along with some other Qnix/X-star alternatives for one of those people that must have a glossy screen since the Qnix/X-star ones are so high since they stopped making pure glossy panels and instead decided to put a glass over a matte panel.

mmh yea so at least it can be fixed, the back light bleeding mmh interesting, I wonder how much it is noticeable after the fix tongue.gif

I believe even 96 hz would be good it's 30%+ more than 60 already.. not bad, plus I won't have the GPU power required yet to run as much FPS on a 1440p anyway aha.. altought, even with 60 fps the response rate should be faster with higher hz !

Oh well for now I'm still on the edge, I will keep investigating, and I'll keep you guys updated, oh btw 1600p sounds very good !

cool thanks will check this review, and there are probably some interesting comments below the article !!
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