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Maybe they are not based on the M50 drivers but maybe the M40 drivers but having an open back headset will reduce bass easily but may be more controllable bass and still deep and punchy, just not as much as when its closed.

My wallet is hurting as it is and Im also on the verge of purchasing either a Q701 or K712 lol

Hmmm, interesting that with the closed back they went with 44mm drivers, while open back is only 40mm. The closed back headphones have the same impedence as the M50X's, but max input power is that of the M30X's. I actually like the look of these closed backs versus the AG1's too, since the gold isn't overdone.

As for Q701 versus K712, I personally would say go with the K712's, but I'm not biased at all *hides the K712's that are on his desk* tongue.gif
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no, just no
i would definitely get these over the k701. the k701 has too much of a v-shaped curve (too much treble, too much bass). they do have a massive soundstage but it sounds artificial to me and not really accurate. i would take the m50 or hd600 over it, but m50 is definitely better for gaming due to have more pronounced highs and details imo.

also closed vs open headphones for gaming is up for debate. but i think closed can be better as you can potentially hear more detail in a loud house. they tend to have smaller soundstages but i'd say accurate soundstage is more important than just large. though there are few particular phones that get recommended over and for this purpose for a reason
I was talking about the way they look not sound
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I was talking about the way they look not sound

they look like someone put someone put their flashy nike sneakers on their head. i would much prefer some wooden audiotechnicas or senn momentums. the hd700 is ok looking but too futuristic and too many pointless visual details imo. it's definitely on my "need to listen to list", though
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AD700 has plenty of bass for open cans that were designed for actual music and not wubwubstep.

They sound completely empty, and lack anything that makes music... music. Well, maybe for some specific classic music they would suffice but, for general usage, they are lacking.

I still can't fathom why so many people recommended them. Most overrated headphone ever...

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I feel like people who say the a700 have 0 bass have never EQed them...

Right, and destroy their sound signature. I don't buy headphones and EQ them. Either they sound as I like... or they don't.

Its like buying a sports car and then tune it to be an off-roader... yes, can be done, but its a waste of time and money.
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no, just no
i would definitely get these over the k701. the k701 has too much of a v-shaped curve (too much treble, too much bass). they do have a massive soundstage but it sounds artificial to me and not really accurate. i would take the m50 or hd600 over it, but m50 is definitely better for gaming due to have more pronounced highs and details imo.

also closed vs open headphones for gaming is up for debate. but i think closed can be better as you can potentially hear more detail in a loud house. they tend to have smaller soundstages but i'd say accurate soundstage is more important than just large. though there are few particular phones that get recommended over and for this purpose for a reason

K701 having too much bass?! doh.gif
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K701 having too much bass?! doh.gif

it's not so much that they too much bass or treble. it's more that their mids are totally nonexistent
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it's not so much that they too much bass or treble. it's more that their mids are totally nonexistent

That doesn't make them V shaped at all. K701 have a delicious treble... I love them for Jazz... if I could wear them for more than 30 minutes. Their skull-drilling-band kills me mad.gif
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That doesn't make them V shaped at all. K701 have a delicious treble... I love them for Jazz... if I could wear them for more than 30 minutes. Their skull-drilling-band kills me mad.gif

not having mids=v shaped. it's the same thing, you're talking about loudness. that's why i prefer hd600. the highs aren't as detailed (emphasized?) but all around a much better and more neutral sounding phone. i find the m50 to be somewhere in the middle with more noticeable highs but less of a recessed midrange.

also the hd600 and m50x are very comfortable. the headband on the k701 is so brutal. why the bumps on the top, why?
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no, just no
i would definitely get these over the k701. the k701 has too much of a v-shaped curve (too much treble, too much bass). they do have a massive soundstage but it sounds artificial to me and not really accurate. i would take the m50 or hd600 over it, but m50 is definitely better for gaming due to have more pronounced highs and details imo.

also closed vs open headphones for gaming is up for debate. but i think closed can be better as you can potentially hear more detail in a loud house. they tend to have smaller soundstages but i'd say accurate soundstage is more important than just large. though there are few particular phones that get recommended over and for this purpose for a reason

uuhhh K701's dont really have that much bass from what I recall reading......

M50s lack soundstage, trust me, i have a pair. They sound clear and you can still distinguish sounds well but problem is, sometimes when the bass hits (explosions, too much stuff going on at once) mids get recessed and it just gets muddy with the bass bleeding into the mids. For FPS, M50s wont be ideal in terms of competitive gaming. As for immersion, M50s would do good but some people dont like too much bass that extends far. I just feel the M50's were meant more for music than gaming. They do good but not great for gaming.

I guess it all depends on everyone's taste in sound. I usually like a more darker kind of sound with enough bass for immersion while still retaining clarity and a big soundstage....I didnt like neutral headphones either but I actually like them now more than V shaped sound headphones....unless they are portable headphones, V shaped portable headphones I dont mind at all because I dont really like carrying around an extra amp to use with my phone smile.gif.
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uuhhh K701's dont really have that much bass from what I recall reading......

M50s lack soundstage, trust me, i have a pair. They sound clear and you can still distinguish sounds well but problem is, sometimes when the bass hits (explosions, too much stuff going on at once) mids get recessed and it just gets muddy with the bass bleeding into the mids. For FPS, M50s wont be ideal in terms of competitive gaming. As for immersion, M50s would do good but some people dont like too much bass that extends far. I just feel the M50's were meant more for music than gaming. They do good but not great for gaming.

I guess it all depends on everyone's taste in sound. I usually like a more darker kind of sound with enough bass for immersion while still retaining clarity and a big soundstage....I didnt like neutral headphones either but I actually like them now more than V shaped sound headphones....unless they are portable headphones, V shaped portable headphones I dont mind at all because I dont really like carrying around an extra amp to use with my phone smile.gif.

oh yeah i wouldn't say the m50x would be the best for gaming overall. i'm just not a fan of the k701 at all. i think the best thing for gaming would be something with a huge soundstage and very bright sound (little bass, very detailed). because you don't really need accuracy, you need placement and imaging. so in that sense i would say that to some degree a musically pleasing and accurate phone and a gaming headset are two different things. but it also comes down to whether you want something that just sounds good or something that will make you play better.

the other thing you have to consider is efficiency. a lot of fullsized headphones won't be driven well by a console controller or integrated soundcard. but using an amp with a controller is going to be awkward. so in the efficiency of the m50x is definitely a plus, they are definitely far easier to drive than the k701s i used to own which absolutely required an amp just as the hd600s do
Edited by perfectblade - 10/18/14 at 2:41pm
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They sound completely empty, and lack anything that makes music... music. Well, maybe for some specific classic music they would suffice but, for general usage, they are lacking.

I still can't fathom why so many people recommended them. Most overrated headphone ever...
Right, and destroy their sound signature. I don't buy headphones and EQ them. Either they sound as I like... or they don't.

Its like buying a sports car and then tune it to be an off-roader... yes, can be done, but its a waste of time and money.
K701 having too much bass?! doh.gif

Not sure why we're having an audiophile level cans discussion in here when we're talking about GAMING headphones. Take this over to avsforum or head-fi. rolleyes.gif

How about some good suggestions for gaming as an alternative to the overpriced set in the OP? I've already given mine earlier in the thread.
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