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INTEL lives (better product) because of AMD... without AMD we would still have pentium 4 CPUs. Basically INTEL "stole" AMD tech

Intel created x86, not AMD. In fact until the early to mid 90s AMD (other companies did as well to be fair) was quite literally copying Intel CPUs.

Sure AMD created 64 bit extension of x86, but the core foundation is x86.
Edited by Gorea - 10/20/14 at 11:24am
post #102 of 114
HeH, that wasnt my point. We all know that Intel played dirty... but right now this is not important. Next move from AMD will be important, but they dont share info.

So Carrizo will improve everything.. FPU, memory controller and effiency... HBM? still 28nm? ...
Edited by Themisseble - 10/20/14 at 10:03am
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10% is too low vs sandy.

~8-13% over ivy.. which was still 4% or so faster than sandy. There's a reason 4790k video encodes like a 3930k with one core disabled on air cooling

Geekbench is a fairly well rounded benchmark. It's probably safe to take it as a close approximate of average performance. There are outliers sure, but Haswell is generally 10-15% better than Sandy at the same frequency
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Intel created x86, not AMD. In fact until the early to mid 90s AMD (other companies did as well to be fair) was quite literally copy Intel CPUs.

Sure AMD created 64 bit extension of x86, but the core foundation is x86.

Under an agreement, one that Intel tried to unlawfully back out of according to courts since AMD won more than one lawsuit against Intel
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So Carrizo will improve everything.. FPU, memory controller and effiency... HBM? still 28nm? ...

Carrizo wont be anything special, just some minor efficiency improvements all around. Even AMD doesnt care much about the chip and is only producing it because they were already so far along on it's design and need something to keep them going for another year. Hence why AMD is not even trying to hype Carrizo up and is trying to put all focus on the next gen processors as much as possible.
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Carrizo wont be anything special, just some minor efficiency improvements all around. Even AMD doesnt care much about the chip and is only producing it because they were already so far along on it's design and need something to keep them going for another year. Hence why AMD is not even trying to hype Carrizo up and is trying to put all focus on the next gen processors as much as possible.

256Bit FPu is something special
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If carriz/excavator is that leaked die picture from 18 montths ago,then it is a really beefed up design. What remains to be seen is what AMD is gonna make out of it (eg. efficiency focus or are they gonna make at least one "performance" sku).
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post #107 of 114
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HeH, that wasnt my point. We all know that Intel played dirty... but right now this is not important. Next move from AMD will be important, but they dont share info.

So Carrizo will improve everything.. FPU, memory controller and effiency... HBM? still 28nm? ...
Carrizo will have a new FPU design to support AVX2. Carrizo will most likely have frame compression as found in Tonga which will leviate the current bandwidth problems the igpu has. Carrizo will most likely feature 30% higher performance at the same power at 15W. Carrizo will be made on 28nm. Carrizo will have DDR3 and most likely the server versions will have DDR4.

Carrizo is very very unlikely to have HBM. But they may do a Iris pro like APU for notebooks who knows.
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Carrizo wont be anything special, just some minor efficiency improvements all around. Even AMD doesnt care much about the chip and is only producing it because they were already so far along on it's design and need something to keep them going for another year. Hence why AMD is not even trying to hype Carrizo up and is trying to put all focus on the next gen processors as much as possible.
Carrizo is indeed a stop gap that is very clear but it will be a major boost most likely even better than Piledriver was over Bulldozer. Considering this is rumoured to replace Beema which is very efficient I think efficiency is exceptional. Which means that my wallet will be depleted for the next couple of months due to the new core M notebooks and Carrizo.
Edited by maarten12100 - 10/20/14 at 12:45pm
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If carriz/excavator is that leaked die picture from 18 montths ago,then it is a really beefed up design. What remains to be seen is what AMD is gonna make out of it (eg. efficiency focus or are they gonna make at least one "performance" sku).


carrizo vs steamroller
1MB L2 (per module)| 2MB L2 (per module)
256Bit FPU | 128 Bit FPU

So we can expect better memory controller even better latency than steamroller
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/177099-secrets-of-steamroller-digging-deep-into-amds-next-gen-core/2

If desktop comes for FM2+ .. maybe they are waiting for 20nm.
Edited by Themisseble - 10/20/14 at 12:47pm
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carrizo vs steamroller
1MB L2 (per m)| 2MB L2 (per m)
256Bit FPU | 128 Bit FPU

So we can expect better memory controller even better latency than steamroller
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/177099-secrets-of-steamroller-digging-deep-into-amds-next-gen-core/2

If desktop comes for FM2+ .. maybe they are waiting for 20nm.
Isn't steamroller 2x 128 bit making it capable of 256bit instructions but it being so broken that doing 2 128bit instructions in parallel yields better results?
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Isn't steamroller 2x 128 bit making it capable of 256bit instructions but it being so broken that doing 2 128bit instructions in parallel yields better results?


These benchmarks shows opposite
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