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excavator should be out already... there will be no excavator for desktop APUs.. only for low power and OEMS
Excavator is a pretty significant redesigning of Steamroller.

- High Density Libraries
- AVX2 and RDRAND + FP256 execution + Cache/Memory Pipeline optimization.
- High performance node to a mainstream low power node.

If anything Excavators delay to market is do to the increase in complexity for energy efficiency.
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Excavator is a pretty significant redesigning of Steamroller.

- High Density Libraries
- AVX2 and RDRAND + FP256 execution + Cache/Memory Pipeline optimization.
- High performance node to a mainstream low power node.

If anything Excavators delay to market is do to the increase in complexity for energy efficiency.

So your saying that excavator will be released for APUs and Fm2+?
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So your saying that excavator will be released for APUs and Fm2+?
FM2+ and FP4, not so sure about SP2. It seems odd that SP1, is for an 8-core Cortex A57 @ 2 GHz. Then, SP2 is suddenly an APU socket for quad-cores.

Categories for Carrizo;
FM2+ => 45W and 65W
FP4 => 15W and 35W
Edited by Seronx - 10/19/14 at 2:59pm
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FM2+ and FP4, not so sure about SP2. It seems odd that SP1, is for an 8-core Cortex A57 @ 2 GHz. Then, SP2 is suddenly an APU socket for quad-cores.

Categories for Carrizo;
FM2+ => 45W and 65W
FP4 => 15W and 35W

many people talks that ther will be no athlon for desktop.... but you never know amd is quiet about it!
post #85 of 114
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That's because all of those games you just listed are GPU bound games.

I also play starcraft and planetside 2, trine 2 , wolfenstein new order, thief, tomb raider, kerbal space program, skyrim, dishonored, hitman absolution, crysis 1,2,3, castlevania, chivalry, farcry, the list goes on what are you talking about. all games are going to tax GPU's more than your cpu. On top of that getting a cheaper CPU allowed me to purchase top of the line graphics cards at the time. I also do a lot of work that utilizes OpenCL, so having a slightly better cpu would increase performance in that regard somewhere in the range of 0 and 1%. For example my work computer is a 32 thread Xeon with a POS Quadro 6000. Most of my tasks obliterate the 32 thread Xeon because of how much I utilize OpenCL. I still don't understand why Quadro's are so standard in my industry when their performance and price is downright piss.
post #86 of 114
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I also play starcraft and planetside 2

Those games are incredibly CPU intensive and the most you need on the GPU side is a lowly GTX 760. There are certain behind-the-scene calculations that need to be done on the CPU.

Please stop with the "GPUs are the only thing that matter!" ignorance. I thought this was OCN, not reddit. rolleyes.gif
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Oh, CPU matters a lot. Being a i7 owner coming from a FX 8320, I can say without a doubt CPU matters for many games and having a powerful GPU is only part of the battle.
     
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Oh, CPU matters a lot. Being a i7 owner coming from a FX 8320, I can say without a doubt CPU matters for many games and having a powerful GPU is only part of the battle.

99% of the time your limited by your gpus in games, not the cpu. Most modern cpus have enough grunt to complete the work required of them. I am not saying there isn't a difference in performance because there is, but its more geared towards the GPU bottleneck.

There is no Information about the AMD Zen cpus. All we know right now is the x86 cores will be interchangeable with Arm cores. Performance wise I would expect it to be more competitive with Intel offerings than the current line of chips are. Who knows though with Kim Keller back at the helm (guy who worked on the athlon 64 and others) Amd could make a resurgence in performance and out perform Intel again, unlikely given Intel leads the industry in fab tech.
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99% of the time your limited by your gpus in games, not the cpu. Most modern cpus have enough grunt to complete the work required of them. I am not saying there isn't a difference in performance because there is, but its more geared towards the GPU bottleneck.

There is no Information about the AMD Zen cpus. All we know right now is the x86 cores will be interchangeable with Arm cores. Performance wise I would expect it to be more competitive with Intel offerings than the current line of chips are. Who knows though with Kim Keller back at the helm (guy who worked on the athlon 64 and others) Amd could make a resurgence in performance and out perform Intel again, unlikely given Intel leads the industry in fab tech.

Maybe in the games you play. Not in the games I tend to play. I gained good min fps in many games when I made the move to a i7.

I know from personal experience the affect of moving from a FX 8320 to a 4770k (now 4790k). I gained min fps in many of the games I play, and had generally better fps. A lot less instances of unexplained FPS drops.

I know this because I experienced it. thumb.gif

*The reason you hear people say that most games are held back by GPU, is because most people are using on-board/integrated graphics. Once you start getting into higher end GPU, you're as likely to be limited by CPU as you are GPU.
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Oh, CPU matters a lot. Being a i7 owner coming from a FX 8320, I can say without a doubt CPU matters for many games and having a powerful GPU is only part of the battle.

It really shouldn't matter a lot. I'm saying this because today we use way too much cookie-cutter engines and sacrifice CPU performance for their inadequacies if the engine remains unmaintained. Not only that but you really don't need much CPU power to do a lot these days, we over compensate our needs. We've got a bunch of lazy gen developers who won't produce quality. We also don't need to be constrained to the x86 platform anymore for games too. Nothing against x86 but our graphics cards are capable of handling more threads these days. It just seems to be a waste Intel and AMD to not pursue something with more substance and shame on lazy game programmers.
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