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Originally Posted by Fortunex View Post

He also played non-violent games. Where is your evidence that games lead to murder? Just saying "well this murderer played video games" is not a causal link. The murderers also drank milkshakes. Do milkshakes lead to murder?

"But they are still faced with having to clean up after the mess violent media (and tons of other factors no one can really place in order) made in those specific individual cases."

Can you provide a source showing that violent media made any difference in those cases?

Can you provide a SOURCE THAT THEY DONT?

Kinda hard isn't it because these nuts usually end up dead or won't talk.
post #222 of 266
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Originally Posted by dph314 View Post

Wait...what? My argument is ridiculous because "violence isn't violence"? You're right, that's a much better argument wink.gif

I really don't even know how what you said is a counter-point to what I did. I was talking about adult games that are made for adults. These games aren't made for children and one of my points was this shouldn't be censored because you shouldn't have the right to tell another adult what kind of video game they play.

My second point being that if children do get their hands on this, it's the parents who should either make sure that doesn't happen (which isn't always feasible), or more importantly, teach them what's out there, talk to them about it. You seem to think that I'm all for children playing this, but really I'm not. I'm saying adults should be able to and parents should be responsible for preparing their kids for the real world.

If you start taking everything out of this world that might harm a child in some way, think of what we'll be left with...

Well then I apologize; I must have misunderstood what you were saying.

I completely agree. Personal responsibility and involved parenting are by far the most important things. Whether or not that's an attainable goal, or will even be enough, I have no idea.
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post #223 of 266
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Well then I apologize; I must have misunderstood what you were saying.

I completely agree. Personal responsibility and involved parenting are by far the most important things. Whether or not that's an attainable goal, or will even be enough, I have no idea.

Ah it's ok. I probably could've worded my other post a little better I'm sure. But yeah that's really all I meant. Sorry if it sounded like I wanted to put a copy of this under every kid's tree at Christmas redface.gif
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Can you provide a SOURCE THAT THEY DONT?

Kinda hard isn't it because these nuts usually end up dead or won't talk.

That's not how the burden of proof works. You don't assume that things happen because there's no evidence that they don't. Like I keep saying, these murderers also all drank milkshakes, you can't prove that milkshakes don't cause murder. That doesn't mean we should assume that they do.
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That's not how the burden of proof works. You don't assume that things happen because there's no evidence that they don't. Like I keep saying, these murderers also all drank milkshakes, you can't prove that milkshakes don't cause murder. That doesn't mean we should assume that they do.

Plenty of evidence you are just choosing to ignore it or never looked into it. Go see what the 2 Columbine kids were into, particularly the one that was the "leader". He was obsessed with DOOM. It was the main thing in his life. Milkshakes weren't. He didn't write essays at school about milkshakes. But we have evidence that he was uniquely attracted to games and other forms of media that emulated the type of scenario he played out in his final hours.
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Plenty of evidence you are just choosing to ignore it or never looked into it. Go see what the 2 Columbine kids were into, particularly the one that was the "leader". He was obsessed with DOOM. It was the main thing in his life. Milkshakes weren't. He didn't write essays at school about milkshakes. But we have evidence that he was uniquely attracted to games and other forms of media that emulated the type of scenario he played out in his final hours.

You made the claim, if you want anyone to acknowledge your claim, you need to provide a source or "proof".

Otherwise your just announcing an opinion.
    
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You made the claim, if you want anyone to acknowledge your claim, you need to provide a source or "proof".

Otherwise your just announcing an opinion.
Yes, it's a forum. This is my opinion. I don't need a source.

Where's your source for your opinion?

I don't need acknowledgement from anyone. I'm here to challenge the idea that games about indiscriminate murder are not worth being concerned about. If you want to call it trolling, fine. But you guys are essentially validating me as a "troll" if that's the case by responding to my offensive ideas.
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Originally Posted by electro2u View Post

Plenty of evidence you are just choosing to ignore it or never looked into it. Go see what the 2 Columbine kids were into, particularly the one that was the "leader". He was obsessed with DOOM. It was the main thing in his life. Milkshakes weren't. He didn't write essays at school about milkshakes. But we have evidence that he was uniquely attracted to games and other forms of media that emulated the type of scenario he played out in his final hours.

That isn't evidence. It doesn't matter what the Columbine kids were into if it didn't affect the outcome. They could be Satanist Nazis and it wouldn't matter if those two things didn't cause them to murder those people.

It's very possible that the people who are already psychopaths are more likely to play these types of violent games. Unless you can provide evidence that video games cause people to be more likely to commit murders like this, your argument holds no water whatsoever.
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It's very possible that the people who are already psychopaths are more likely to play these types of violent games

This is valid. I'm not so stuck up or determined to "win" the debate that I can't acknowledge a good opposing point when it comes up. I think that's what bothers "gamers" so much about this debate in general--they don't want to be labeled psychopaths for enjoying killing games. And I don't think they are, and I think it's pretty obvious psychopaths would be more likely to enjoy a game like this than watching My Little Pony. The question is if you pull a Clockwork Orange and force them to watch videos of games that focus on killing, would it make them more violent? My ttheory is YES. Can I prove it. Nope. Not trying to prove anything, just debating.

The flipside is that you guys think there being a shadow of a doubt means innocence is proven. Well that's how it works in the West, but In China you are GUILTY until proven innocent. And that's a whole other can of worms. Do they ever execute innocents? Almost certainly. Do they have a lot of mass shootings? Nope (they are becoming more westernized NOW though, and the shootings in school have ramped up there)
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Originally Posted by Fortunex View Post

That isn't evidence.
SMH, you think the essay the kid wrote about DOOM is not evidence in the murders of their classmates? The weapons were evidence, the video tapes were evidence and so is the essay.
Edited by electro2u - 10/20/14 at 1:43pm
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SMH, you think the essay the kid wrote about DOOM is not evidence in the murders of their classmates? The weapons were evidence, the video tapes were evidence and so is the essay.

That isn't evidence that his love of DOOM led to the murders.
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