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You also have no evidence to support that hypothesis, which is probably the main reason you're getting so much opposition. If it could be shown that video games influenced people to become violent, it would likely be a completely different story.

You have no evidence to refute my theory, either. It's not a hypothesis because I'm not testing it scientifically. There hasn't been a scientific study done on this subject, to my knowledge, but I can't exactly be held responsible for that.

I did find this article that shows that mainstream reports about this issue, like the link between the Navy Yard gunman and his FPS gaming activities, increases violent tenancies among gamers. Which is absurd, but there you have it.
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Dr Mario Vance, a psychological researcher at the Rapture Institute for headline-inspired science, conducted a seven-year longitudinal study that monitored the anger levels of more than a thousand volunteers from gaming communities. The results showed statistically significant increases in overall aggression and violent tendencies that occurred very soon after tenuous mainstream media stories claiming video games cause violence.
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You have no evidence to refute my theory, either. It's not a hypothesis because I'm not testing it scientifically. There hasn't been a scientific study done on this subject, to my knowledge, but I can't exactly be held responsible for that.

I did find this article that shows that mainstream reports about this issue, like the link between the Navy Yard gunman and his FPS gaming activities, increases violent tenancies among gamers. Which is absurd, but there you have it.
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Dr Mario Vance, a psychological researcher at the Rapture Institute for headline-inspired science, conducted a seven-year longitudinal study that monitored the anger levels of more than a thousand volunteers from gaming communities. The results showed statistically significant increases in overall aggression and violent tendencies that occurred very soon after tenuous mainstream media stories claiming video games cause violence.

Burden of proof... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof

And it is a hypothesis.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypothesis

It is also conjecture.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conjecture

It is lip-flapping with no basis. I try not to use the colloquial meaning for the word "theory", as that perpetuates the idea that theories are nothing more than guesses, whereas scientific theories are very different.

And yes, there have been a lot of studies done on the subject.
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Its a video game, who cares? Free speech and all that, parents need to parent.
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Regardless of anyone's opinion on games, this is still a sick (gross) game. I won't be playing it but it doesn't mean I am against violence in games, rather, on the contrary. I love brutal games. I guess it's just I am moreso against the reasoning behind the violence. This game wants you to kill just for the pleasure of it.

You, YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU.....who cares what YOU think is gross or obscene or whatever? Your standard is YOUR standard. While I personally will not be buying this game, I see nothing wrong with it. Its A VIDEO GAME. Personally I think Barbie Horse Adventures is grotesque, but sadly there is nothing I can do about it.

Of course it's his standard, he never said it wasn't. You're entitled to your opinion just like he's entitled to his.

For the record, I find this game disturbing too. Just because it's not real doesn't make it any less disturbing. I certainly wouldn't want to play a game about rape, beastiality, or pedophaelia but maybe that's just me.
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Of course it's his standard, he never said it wasn't. You're entitled to your opinion just like he's entitled to his.

For the record, I find this game disturbing too. Just because it's not real doesn't make it any less disturbing. I certainly wouldn't want to play a game about rape, beastiality, or pedophaelia but maybe that's just me.

You know it's bad when a serial killer has a problem with a murder game.
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Wow, didn't know the industry was now run by Jack Thompson-likes.

So now video games are too violent. Are they going to demand developers to now only push for G rated, Disney/Mario games?

Sane people can differentiate between reality and fantasy; can't say the same about these clowns complaining about "violent" video games.
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Wow, didn't know the industry was now run by Jack Thompson-likes.

So now video games are too violent. Are they going to demand developers to now only push for G rated, Disney/Mario games?

Sane people can differentiate between reality and fantasy; can't say the same about these clowns complaining about "violent" video games.

That is SUCH a pointless argument.

Sane people also know not to take a gun to their school. Sane people also know not to drive the wrong way on the freeway at 130mph. Sane people also know that you can't break into your crush's house and watch them sleep.

And making overly-dramatic, sweeping complaints like you did about only G-rated games apparently being OK is just dumb. If having a problem with this game is no different from having a problem with a PG movie, then you need to get your head checked.
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That is SUCH a pointless argument.

Sane people also know not to take a gun to their school. Sane people also know not to drive the wrong way on the freeway at 130mph. Sane people also know that you can't break into your crush's house and watch them sleep.

And making overly-dramatic, sweeping complaints like you did about only G-rated games apparently being OK is just dumb. If having a problem with this game is no different from having a problem with a PG movie, then you need to get your head checked.

No, I'm pointing out hypocrisy. The industry sure didn't have a problem with other "violent" games being released, like Grand Theft Auto series; and actually gave those video games great reviews. The point I was making is that its ok to make video games about good guys, heroes and anti-heroes. But making a game, where the player is playing the other side; someone evil, horrific, sadistic is completely not ok? Why is that? Why does portraying violence in video games need context or a purpose in order for it to be ok? Isn't violence, violence, no matter how it is portrayed? What if the developers are trying to tell a story, or show a different side and actually be more honest about violence? Rather than humor being throw in like most other video games.

It just amazes me how quickly people write off games like this, and automatically label them as "mass murder simulators".
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No, I'm pointing out hypocrisy. The industry sure didn't have a problem with other "violent" games being released, like Grand Theft Auto series; and actually gave those video games great reviews. The point I was making is that its ok to make video games about good guys, heroes and anti-heroes. But making a game, where the player is playing the other side; someone evil, horrific, sadistic is completely not ok? Why is that? Why does portraying violence in video games need context or a purpose in order for it to be ok? Isn't violence, violence, no matter how it is portrayed? What if the developers are trying to tell a story, or show a different side and actually be more honest about violence? Rather than humor being throw in like most other video games.

It just amazes me how quickly people write off games like this, and automatically label them as "mass murder simulators".

Even has their own limits, but I don't think it's outlandish to suggest that most people would be uncomfortable not only witnessing this level of brutality, but being the one to control it.

People calling for it to be banned are just stupid, but people expressing concern over it, or saying that they would never touch a game like that with a 10-foot pole? How is that unreasonable? I don't know about others, but I don't play video games to be uncomfortable and feel sick to my stomach, and I'm perfectly fine with never being OK around that level of violence.

That is not hypocrisy. The type of violence in this game is inherently different from the violence in 99% of other media, and it makes me uncomfortable. I also don't care for torture porn movies, either.

Don't forget, too, the industry is made up of a collection of individual people.
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Yes, as in all industry's it takes many individuals having many points of view to create these works.

It also take but one man to truly show what man is capable of doing to man itself.

Honestly history itself is enough to show and influence any youth no matter the age. Who is to say no one ever reads about Stalin and the purge and goes yeah right on.

It's simple in my little pea sized mind. There is no way to ever depict more violence from man towards man than by man live and in the moment. Take it to the bank, anything and I mean anything a video game has portrayed has been thought and or done already by man way before video games had a chance to influence let alone mold a person to do such things.

Not only that, population wise it's kind of hard to lower the amount of really off the wall acts when there has always been one too many anyways since the dawn of man.

Going back a couple/few pages it's surprising to see so many with closed minded thoughts and only looking at things from their/one perspective.

When it boils down to it I think airing a cop shooting a victim 19 times to death on the news every 2 minutes is worse than so many hundred thousands being exposed to a violent video game.
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No, I'm pointing out hypocrisy. The industry sure didn't have a problem with other "violent" games being released, like Grand Theft Auto series; and actually gave those video games great reviews. The point I was making is that its ok to make video games about good guys, heroes and anti-heroes. But making a game, where the player is playing the other side; someone evil, horrific, sadistic is completely not ok? Why is that? Why does portraying violence in video games need context or a purpose in order for it to be ok? Isn't violence, violence, no matter how it is portrayed? What if the developers are trying to tell a story, or show a different side and actually be more honest about violence? Rather than humor being throw in like most other video games.

It just amazes me how quickly people write off games like this, and automatically label them as "mass murder simulators".

This game literally is a mass murder simulator. The developers themselves announced that. In their (not verbatim,) words; it's a reaction to people being too politically correct about videogames. That statement implies its there for the sole sake of pushing boundaries is it not ment to have any true merit.
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