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Nothing new. Whenever they are about to release something big (see watch dogs), they release such statements just so they can make a few bucks from their crappy ports. Afterall, all, the time and resources they have invested in developing a world class port thats truly *A REAR* of their times.
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Nothing new. Whenever they are about to release something big (see watch dogs), they release such statements just so they can make a few bucks from their crappy ports. Afterall, all, the time and resources they have invested in developing a world class port thats truly *A REAR* of their times.

Except Watch Dogs is a Multi Platform. RE4 and Devil May Cry 3 are examples of ports, and bad ones at that.
    
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Burden of proof... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof

And it is a hypothesis.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypothesis

It is also conjecture.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conjecture

It is lip-flapping with no basis. I try not to use the colloquial meaning for the word "theory", as that perpetuates the idea that theories are nothing more than guesses, whereas scientific theories are very different.

And yes, there have been a lot of studies done on the subject.
Derp. I've always had trouble with theory vs hypothesis. I Managed to memorize hypothesis=1st part of scientific method but I do use theory incorrectly a lot.

I had never really seen what in my mind would be conclusive results from studies on violence in media because it seems like it would be really hard to control for but towards the end of our debate yesterday I started to get sloppy and distracted.

I think moving forward this is a reasonable starting point: "Little By Little, Violent Video Games Make Us More Aggressive"

"In the latest work to address the question, published in the journal JAMA Pediatrics, scientists led by Craig Anderson, director of the center for the study of violence at Iowa State University, found hints that violent video games may set kids up to react in more hostile and violent ways."

For an attentive parent, this is like... Uh, "duh." Not rocket science, give them sugar and they really do react. It's obvious. People react to fear more than any other stimulus in their environment. It releases chemicals in the brain that not only can aid w\ fight or flight reaction, but also calcium which significantly increases the mind's ability to imprint memory. The mind is hard wired for fear so that we know what to do if we ever get into that situation again. My source is an npr interview w\ an "Outdoor" magazine writer who specializes in extreme sports. She was a guest speaker on the subject of Ebola virus reaction in the news late last night.
Whats this got to do with violent video games? Well, I'm not exactly sure, but they scare me, so I avoid them but some people are attracted to them. Fear=violence though. And it is my hypothesis/conjecture that some kids and teens are being damaged by these games and ALL the other violent media that presents a skewed reality that is filled with fear to them. It was an influence in the Columbine massacre, IMO. Just because the media is sensationalist doesn't mean it's always wrong.
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Fortunex, I have enjoyed this debate with you I think you're a *lot* more intuitive and thoughtful than I bargained for. However, on the subject of burden of proof. We had reached an impasse where we were both asking each other for sources and it was suggested that when this occurs the person making an assertion automatically loses, but from your own link to the philosophical definition:
"An argument from ignorance occurs when either a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is assumed to be false because it has not yet been proven true.[1][2] This has the effect of shifting the burden of proof to the person criticizing the assertion, but is not valid reasoning.[3]" The last part gets fuzzy for me. I don't really know much about classical philosophical debate. But it seems like we were both violating this requirement for burden of proof at different points in the discourse.
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Hitler wore clothes, proof that wearing clothes makes you more likely to become a Dictator and orchestrate genocide.

No, but really, the only people that are going to play a videogame with killing involved (Anyone, not just ones like this) and start murdering, are people with mental deficiencies, or very young children exposed to it over a (significant) period of their life, You might throw people that are bullied excessively in there as well, although i personally believe if they turn to murder( If their live isn't threatened) that ties in with the mental problems.

One may snap at anything, thats kinda the thing with a messed up brain, its messed up

The other should have parents/guardians involved in their life.

Thats the way i see it.

Anyone that uses the "I'm Offended!" argument....well...So? Dumb Argument, I'm offended by bad dubstep, I don't advocate Skrillex be banned from producing.


I'm not going to get the game, doesn't seem particularly fun imo
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This game literally is a mass murder simulator. The developers themselves announced that. In their (not verbatim,) words; it's a reaction to people being too politically correct about videogames. That statement implies its there for the sole sake of pushing boundaries is it not ment to have any true merit.

Last time I played GTA, it too was a mass murder simulator.
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Hitler wore clothes, proof that wearing clothes makes you more likely to become a Dictator and orchestrate genocide.

No, but really, the only people that are going to play a videogame with killing involved (Anyone, not just ones like this) and start murdering, are people with mental deficiencies, or very young children exposed to it over a (significant) period of their life, You might throw people that are bullied excessively in there as well, although i personally believe if they turn to murder( If their live isn't threatened) that ties in with the mental problems.

One may snap at anything, thats kinda the thing with a messed up brain, its messed up

The other should have parents/guardians involved in their life.

Thats the way i see it.

Anyone that uses the "I'm Offended!" argument....well...So? Dumb Argument, I'm offended by bad dubstep, I don't advocate Skrillex be banned from producing.


I'm not going to get the game, doesn't seem particularly fun imo

i would be willing to crusade for this.....
post #258 of 266
Its just code, and for those who talk about how one of the devs is anti muslim SO WHAT he is entitled to his opinion, im an arab and a muslim and my world isnt going to end because of that, personally im looking forward to this game though id rather have ManHunt 3.
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There is no real known cause for psychopaths outside of mental illness. You can de-sensitize a person, you can train them to kill over and over again. People have been forced to kill over and over again. Yet we see the same thing, some people walk away fine while others don't cope well. The only thing we can see that differs a psychopath from somebody who isn't, as far as we know, is brain chemistry. We have seen similar people, in pretty much the same/similar situation.

What causes a man to mass murder people? Under developed frontal cortex, depriving the person of practical and logical decision making? Why then do a lot of the under developed youthful brains that smoke pot all day every day not become psychopathic killers? Underdeveloped brains from video game play, the same as drug addiction. I've already covered de-sensitization, as well as PTSD. Soooo??

Killings like the black kid mimicing GTA, or many of the highschool shootings, aren't really related to video games. In the situation of the kid in the police department who killed cops, then escaped in a police vehicle (right? i don't remember the details). Of all the times I've been arrested, never once have I thought "yeah killing these cops and escaping sounds amazing". We have this thing called self preservation, it's generally in all of us. Most people would think "am I going to jail for a long time?" Usually the answer is no, and the average citizen knows what murder gets....

Honestly my personal opinion would be that video games might act as a trigger for people with psychopathic tendencies. Or people who suffer from being lightly psychopathic. But you know, it's just easier to believe that everyone is normal and something always causes them to do these things. The truth is, most cold blooded killers and serial killers ARE NOT proper in the head. A person can suppress those tendencies but just like suppressed memories, who knows what will bring all that suppressed emotion back. And I omitted when intentionally, because generally a person with those tendencies not on medications will react eventually. It's just a matter of when.
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