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Windows is only a mess when you get to understanding it's insides. Like most things in this world...people only care about the appearance and to live in specialized ignorance. They care about the appearance of an easy to use OS and one that promises them someone else can fix it for them so they don't have to know anything about it. Kind of like cars.
     
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Originally Posted by CaptainBlame View Post

This has nothing to do with Linux, Linux as a kernel is fine. The problem is most distros suck, especially Arch. *energy shields activated*
Agree with all things said.

My work machine is Xubuntu 14.04 and its been working well over the past few months. Mageia has also worked well for me in the past, not sure how it is now.
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Why has this thread been moved from the Linux section when it's clearly a Linux discussion?
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I'll take rock solid and stable any day over "shiny, new and improved" and as someone said, "The job of cutting edge is fraught with avoiding the blade". I just don't have any such issues with Slackware. Other than the obvious and rather rare security patches, I have spent all but zero time fixing my system over a period of many years. Example - the last time /etc/X11/xorg.conf was modified was this June when I bought a nice new monitor and all I had to do was remove a few lines that accommodated an old monitor's handling of fonts in X because of a trashy EDID. The time before that was putting those lines in over 5 years ago.
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I'll insure I use a more innocuous title next time, if I wanted it in rants and raves I would have put it there in the first place.
 
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Originally Posted by enorbet2 View Post

I'll take rock solid and stable any day over "shiny, new and improved" and as someone said, "The job of cutting edge is fraught with avoiding the blade". I just don't have any such issues with Slackware. Other than the obvious and rather rare security patches, I have spent all but zero time fixing my system over a period of many years. Example - the last time /etc/X11/xorg.conf was modified was this June when I bought a nice new monitor and all I had to do was remove a few lines that accommodated an old monitor's handling of fonts in X because of a trashy EDID. The time before that was putting those lines in over 5 years ago.

You never have issues with a file manager crashing? Or a mail or calendar app or something? LibreOffice? I get these all the time with all sorts of Linux apps. Of course that has nothing to do with the kernel itself, but still...
post #17 of 53
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Originally Posted by Plan9 View Post

It was quite clearly a problem with your graphics card drivers and Xorg - so of course your desktop would behave differently from your laptop.

Just out of interest, did you actually look at the logs?
Weirdly I find Windows requires far more patience:
  • Windows updates take a lifetime to run compared with Linuxes updates. And that's excluding the time wasted with multiple reboots in between; and the complete lack of versioning in Windows to begin with (why can't Windows just pull the latest binaries instead of making me install each and every sodding version between the currently installed and latest?!!). The ironic thing is, Windows updates aren't even less prone to braking than Linux updates are - which was the central basis for your point to begin with.
  • Everything is so bloody hard to find in Windows. Whether it's the horrid mess of a GUI hiding features in non-guessable stack of hidden windows, or the completely unparsable registry configs, or even just the directory hierarchy - you need to know where every last sodding thing is installed because you wont find the damn thing again if you forget. Linux doesn't require half as much mental mapping to use - if you lose something then just type use a superfast finder. Or if you're an uber nerd, type "whereis" or "which" in the command line.
  • And even with Microsoft's attempts at bringing power user features to Windows have been needlessly longwinded. Powershell and any command line applications are so pointlessly verbose - writing a simple shell script feels like your typing out War and Peace
  • Trying to find errors in Event viewer is like trying to get my 6 month old son to change his nappy without eating his own poo. I mean seriously Mircosoft, you've created a central database for all errors to be logged to (good idea) then created a GUI to manage it that's so impossible to quickly traverse that pretty much everyone just gives up and blindly reformats Windows instead.
  • And since we're talking about patience, the performance of Windows really does need mentioning. Linux runs circles around Windows; even before you've installed the necessary three thousand independent application updaters that run on start up, and your real time AV, just to keep your PC secure.

Windows is one of the most inflexible modern OS's these days - more so than OS X even (and that's saying something when Apple overtakes you in that department). And what's doubly annoying is that Windows isn't even cutting edge - it is by far the most backwards and out dated platform still in common use. So I'm constantly having to work around Windows' shortcomings and constantly having practice the patience of a saint while navigating the convoluted, backwards and, frankly, idiotic BS hoops that Windows constantly exercises.

It's an abomination. It's always been an abomination and it's getting even more ridiculous with each moronically named sequel. Windows was never any good when you compared it to the competition (baring Windows 2000, but aside BeOS (which few people knew that existed) there wasn't really any competition left by that point). However it doesn't matter how tragic your software is, if you manage to get it bundled on every new build then people will be forced to learn it's quirks before realising there's better stuff out there. It's like being married to a fat ugly pig with swine flu and never opening your curtains to realise you have hot Swedish twins living next door who are trained masseuses and part time underwear models. But I guess some people like bacon more than boobies. *shrugs*

You do make valid points that I totally agree with, and if I had the time and patience and understanding of Linux then I'd definitely be using it, but there's one factor that's (as far as I can tell) always going to stop me; and that is gaming.

My computer is for video games, plain and simple, and if I can't instantly download and install any game I want when a friends asks "fancy a quick game" then I'm not going to be satisfied, I don't want to have to manipulate my OS just to run a game.
I know it's the fault of the game producers, not Linux but it's something I just can't be doing with!
So until all major AA titles and the whole of Steam is supported on Linux then I can't see myself changing from Windows. I guess some people just have to gaze at boobies from afar hoping one day they'll be able to leave the house.
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post #18 of 53
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magical Eskimo View Post

You do make valid points that I totally agree with, and if I had the time and patience and understanding of Linux then I'd definitely be using it, but there's one factor that's (as far as I can tell) always going to stop me; and that is gaming.

My computer is for video games, plain and simple, and if I can't instantly download and install any game I want when a friends asks "fancy a quick game" then I'm not going to be satisfied, I don't want to have to manipulate my OS just to run a game.
I know it's the fault of the game producers, not Linux but it's something I just can't be doing with!
So until all major AA titles and the whole of Steam is supported on Linux then I can't see myself changing from Windows. I guess some people just have to gaze at boobies from afar hoping one day they'll be able to leave the house.

Yeah, gaming is an issue. Things are improving, but a long long way from ideal frown.gif

Love your closing sentence by the way lachen.gif
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Sometimes I feel like I must have been incredibly lucky. As a moderately advanced Linux user; I've somehow managed to never have anything 'just break.' I've broken things intentionally in my spare time in VMs. I've broken things unintentionally by making a mistake. But never have I had zero warning and just had a Linux distribution break. And my Linux experience is Xandros, Ubuntu and Arch for the majority of my time.

That said. Windows on the other hand... Windows 8 has an update that just says "security and stability" under its description that patches the kernel usb driver stack and breaks compatibility with a certain version of libUSB. No warning. Just broke.
Windows 7, for no reason after updating DirectX, when connected to a display with a resolution lower than 1024x768 will blue screen after rebooting. Additionally Windows 7 installs are randomly (I've tested this in a VM, with scripted installer input) ticking time bombs. After ~6 boots the system will no longer boot and instead bluescreens. This can be repaired by forcing a rebuild of the registry hives but what the hell?
    
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I like Windows 7.

 

...Please don't hurt me. frown.gif

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