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Originally Posted by Tjj226 Angel View Post

Can anyone tell me how M.2 works on Z97 or Z170?

If the CPU has 16 pci lanes. And you stick in a X16 video card, then how are the lanes distributed?

Or is the M.2 drive going to go through the chipset? If the M.2 drive goes through the chipset, wouldn't that increase the drive's latency?

M.2 simply takes 4 PCI-E lanes and then uses them for themselves.

On a 16 PCI lane chip, this will mean that your GPU will run at x8 and the M.2 card will run at x4, with 4 slots left over being unused. Bear in mind that you will not be able to run SLI, because SLI needs at least x8/x8. Crossfire is still possible though with a x8/x4 configuration, although there will be a performance penalty. A GPU running at x8 though should not experience a huge penalty, at least not until GPUs get much faster anyways.

As far as read/write latency, benchmarks today are showing that they are on par or better with the top SATA drives.

The existing drives do have an issue with latency though, it may be because of their aggressive garbage collection more than anything to do with the M.2 slot.
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6372/samsung-xp941-512gb-m-2-pcie-ssd-review/index10.html

There are only 2 real ways around this:

Get a motherboard with a PLX 8747 chip and an M.2 slot

The PLX chip should be able to create an additional 32 lanes.

So you'd be able to use

- 4 GPUs @ x8/x8/x8/x8
- The M.2 at x4





OR

Get a HEDT chip. They have 28 lanes (5820k) or 40 lanes (5960X).

The 28 lane will allow:

x16 GPU 1
x8 GPU 2
x4 M.2

40 lane will allow
x16 GPU 1
x16 GPU 2
x4 M.2

with 4 lanes left.

Edit:
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Originally Posted by ArchieGriffs View Post

What does 14mn mean? Trolololol. We should get a mod to fix that, oh wait. I'm a terrible troll and am now forever on a hit list..

This is actually not as dumb a question as it sounds.

We really should be quoting the half-pitch and gate lengths here rather than the "marketing" node lengths.
Edited by CrazyElf - 10/20/14 at 5:57pm
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Anybody up for counting the pins???

1155 not counting the small dots and the two squares in the middle. proof that i counted is in the attached image... biggrin.gif

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1155 not counting the small dots and the two squares in the middle. proof that i counted is in the attached image... biggrin.gif

INB4 WCCFTech claims that z77 boards will support skylake and lists you as a reference.
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INB4 WCCFTech claims that z77 boards will support skylake and lists you as a reference.
It isn't the same...

Legit Reviews; http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-core-i7-3770k-3-5ghz-ivy-bridge-processor-review_1914/2


Versus; http://chinese.vr-zone.com/131337/intel-skylake-s-cpu-sampling-greenlow-platform-will-on-schedule-as-2015-q2-10192014/


It is actually 1152 pins. Four up from the bottom most right, there is 3 white dots.
Edited by Seronx - 10/20/14 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by Seronx View Post

It isn't the same...

Legit Reviews; http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-core-i7-3770k-3-5ghz-ivy-bridge-processor-review_1914/2


Versus; http://chinese.vr-zone.com/131337/intel-skylake-s-cpu-sampling-greenlow-platform-will-on-schedule-as-2015-q2-10192014/


It is actually 1152 pins. Four up from the bottom most right, there is 3 white dots.
It was intended as a joke if you didn't get the sarcasm, but that's interesting that it's 1152 instead.
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M.2 simply takes 4 PCI-E lanes and then uses them for themselves.

On a 16 PCI lane chip, this will mean that your GPU will run at x8 and the M.2 card will run at x4, with 4 slots left over being unused. Bear in mind that you will not be able to run SLI, because SLI needs at least x8/x8. Crossfire is still possible though with a x8/x4 configuration, although there will be a performance penalty. A GPU running at x8 though should not experience a huge penalty, at least not until GPUs get much faster anyways.

As far as read/write latency, benchmarks today are showing that they are on par or better with the top SATA drives.

The existing drives do have an issue with latency though, it may be because of their aggressive garbage collection more than anything to do with the M.2 slot.
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6372/samsung-xp941-512gb-m-2-pcie-ssd-review/index10.html

There are only 2 real ways around this:

Get a motherboard with a PLX 8747 chip and an M.2 slot

The PLX chip should be able to create an additional 32 lanes.

So you'd be able to use

- 4 GPUs @ x8/x8/x8/x8
- The M.2 at x4





OR

Get a HEDT chip. They have 28 lanes (5820k) or 40 lanes (5960X).

The 28 lane will allow:

x16 GPU 1
x8 GPU 2
x4 M.2

40 lane will allow
x16 GPU 1
x16 GPU 2
x4 M.2

with 4 lanes left.

Edit:
This is actually not as dumb a question as it sounds.

We really should be quoting the half-pitch and gate lengths here rather than the "marketing" node lengths.

So I guess getting a Z97 Gigabyte motherboard, UD3H with M.2 and Sata Express, was a fail?

frown.gif

Should have done better research on this lol but now i know.

But then again, I have no money for an x99.....at least not now. Might have to sell this PC build next year so I can start building a Skylake build by the end of 2015 smile.gif.
post #47 of 69
Where are the assumptions that different dies will have different IMCs? That would be too costly to develop two different SKUs within a SKU for different IMC. Its very likely the IMC will be DDR4 and DDR3 capable just like the IMC in haswell e. Also mainstream will not get PCIe4, HEDT skylake only.
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Don't forget only Xeon Skylakes will get the AVX3 instruction set.
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post #49 of 69
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Don't forget only Xeon Skylakes will get the AVX3 instruction set.
Wait, what?
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i don't think i will be upgrading until for $300 u can get 4.5ghz 8 core with 2x single core performance of current gen.

Even then my 2600k will still proly do fine like how core 2 duos are still doing ok in most settings today.
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