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Given our corporate experience with the WD Blue I would stay as far away as possible. We have had huge failure rates. For my OS (without going SSD) I would go with a WD Black, it's a bit more but well worth the difference.

I read WD Blacks, while faster and more reliable, generate more heat and noise. My case is an mITX box that supports 6 HDDs. It does not have a lot of space no heat is a concern of mine.
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I read WD Blacks, while faster and more reliable, generate more heat and noise. My case is an mITX box that supports 6 HDDs. It does not have a lot of space no heat is a concern of mine.
In all honesty, go with something like a 120GB Crucial M500 SSD. It's plenty of storage for the OS and heat will not be of concern. It will be your best bet.

The advantages, in my opinion, outweigh the lack of storage on your OS drive. The point of using the main OS drive and the rest of the drives in raid is to isolate your files from your OS. If something were to happen to the OS it's not nearly as big of a deal as losing your raid. My reason for going with the SSD is that not only do I get great reliability, but I also get lower temperatures and faster access. The Crucial I listed earlier is a cost effective and nice SSD for this type of build. I use one in my home server.
Edited by vaeron - 10/21/14 at 1:58pm
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Yup, space and heat concerns would make an OS drive SSD even smarter. Draws less power, cool to the touch, can be put anywhere in the case. Currently have the SSD in my girlfriends tower taped to the side of the hard drive rack, because it wouldnt fit anywhere
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I know that kind of derailed but back to the OS have you thought about using freenas? Based on what you want to do I don't see any major reason to use Windows. It can manage your raid arrays and there are a ton of plug-ins including Plex. It will also perform better than Windows. Unless you need a guI and Active Directory you will scale a freenas setup to other OSs easily.
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wd greens have parking issues but can have the smart somehow flashed (voiding warranty I think) to basically make them reds. Not that I'd go through all the trouble.
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First of all, don't buy an SSD for the OS drive. It's utterly pointless for servers as both Windows and Linux / UNIX does heavy RAM caching of accessed files and running programs and since you're not rebooting your system often, that cache isn't going to get refreshed that often. Thus most of your services / daemons would be running from RAM rather than spinning disk anyway. This is unlike with desktops which frequently get rebooted and a multitude of different applications are used due to PCs being general purpose and software getting closed when not being used. So all an SSD OS drive on a server would do is speed up boot times - which is also pointless given that a server isn't meant to reboot often (or even at all).

If you do want to buy an SSD, then you need to use it a secondary cache disk to your RAID (if your RAID supports it; eg ZFS will allow you to run an SSD as a L2ARC cache). This means that frequently accessed documents / videos / music / etc will be cached on the high speed SSD to get around the slower access times of your RAID.

Secondly, don't run two RAIDs (media and data); just have them merged into one RAID. You will lose a lot of disk space when one RAID fills but the other is empty, and frankly it's easy to assign the same separation you're after from within the OS anyway (SMB* shares, ACLs, storage quota management, etc).

As for my personal software recommendations, I'd suggest throwing FreeNAS on and running your drives as ZFS (file system) with either raidz1 or raidz2 (ZFS RAID model) depending on whether you want 1 or 2 disk redundancy (ie how many disks can break concurrently before you lose your data). ZFS is, in my opinion, by far the best choice for any NAS or file server short of buying your own SAN. It supports snapshotting, live file system checks, and all sorts. More than I have time to mention right now smile.gif And ZFS is a bloody hard file system to break (and trust me; I've tried to break ZFS a number of times).


* SMB == Windows file and print sharing
post #17 of 26
For both my servers I am running a 120 gig SSD.
Now the main server being picked up as 111 gig usable but I am using only 18.3 gig, Server 2 is 107 gig usable and I am only using 17.0 gig of it.
both servers have a secondary drive for the software installs but, server 2 is more of a secondary backup server so nothing is actually installed on it.

now to go back to the OS drive.. I have noticed a huge difference between using a 1 terabyte drive and a small 120GB drive. the smaller performs better
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So I don't mean to be rude, but can I ask why your current server needs replacing?
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For both my servers I am running a 120 gig SSD.
Now the main server being picked up as 111 gig usable but I am using only 18.3 gig, Server 2 is 107 gig usable and I am only using 17.0 gig of it.
both servers have a secondary drive for the software installs but, server 2 is more of a secondary backup server so nothing is actually installed on it.

now to go back to the OS drive.. I have noticed a huge difference between using a 1 terabyte drive and a small 120GB drive. the smaller performs better

How much of a better performance and doing what? Which benchmarks have you run? What OS are you running and how much RAM? Your post tells us nothing smile.gif

When it comes to running a file and media server, the kinds of stuff that performance really matters for would be disk IO on your data arrays. All your running services / daemons (Samba, uPnP / DNLA streaming, etc), all that stuff would perform the same with or without an SSD OS disk since it's dependant on your RAM and network infrastructure.

All you're buying your SSD for is to make your host "feel more snappy" when you're RDP'ed in - and, frankly, that's a complete waste of money when you could use that SSD as a cache disk for your RAID and actually have a measurable performance on your read and writes to that RAID (which, if we're all honest, is the most important performance factor for a file and media server)
Edited by Plan9 - 10/22/14 at 12:43am
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First of all, don't buy an SSD for the OS drive. It's utterly pointless for servers as both Windows and Linux / UNIX does heavy RAM caching of accessed files and running programs and since you're not rebooting your system often, that cache isn't going to get refreshed that often. Thus most of your services / daemons would be running from RAM rather than spinning disk anyway. This is unlike with desktops which frequently get rebooted and a multitude of different applications are used due to PCs being general purpose and software getting closed when not being used. So all an SSD OS drive on a server would do is speed up boot times - which is also pointless given that a server isn't meant to reboot often (or even at all).

He does actually want to use the server like a desktop, at times. And with 6 hard drives packed into a 6 bay MATX case, swapping one hot, airflow depriving hard drive to a cooler, slimmer SSD is a smart choice as heat is already one of his concerns.

Admitedly, if this was a full on rackmount server case an SSD would make no difference, but in this case it is a good option.
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