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Heya guys,

I'm working on putting together something unusual. Well I guess not all that unusual these days. Anyway, I am putting together a workstation and entertainment system all in one. The Workstation part is chemical analysis, spectral NMR scan processing, (both 2d and 3d), and other things for my degree. I'm also going to be doing physics simulations as well as 3d design.
Entertainment-wise, movies and games at 4k, quality audio for a receiver and a decent sound system (I prefer stereo for music, depending on the game 5.1).
I'm also going for an extreme enthusiast machine, as I will be overclocking and watercooling with an SLI setup (this is what it's about right?)


So I've come to a cross roads. Should I go with something like an E5-2670v3 or should I stick with an i7-5960x? I mean one thing I love doing is overclocking, however 12-cores and ECC would be nice for data analysis. I don't know if I can set the GPUs (don't decent ones usually have ECC capability?) to do processing but that would be fun....


What would the right CPU be? What are the capabilities of these E5-2600v3's? Are they overclockable? What is up with there being only one or two cores that are 'turbo-clocked'? Is it worth investing into if I want to also play around with overclocking?

Overall the price of a build with an E5-2670v3 is only about $350 more than building a 5960x system despite the cost of the processors being so different (probably due to non-ECC consumer DDR4 32GB in 4x8GB modules are practically nilche and are going up in price, but ECC seems to be in decent supply...).

What are the capabilities of the E5-2670v3 as far as overclocking, and performance-wise, obviously it's going to be doing better with multicore vs singlecore I imagine if it was compared at 3.2GHz vs an overclocked 4.5GHz 5960x? But is it worth it to lose the ability to overclock every core for the extra 4 cores and ECC? I'm honestly not sure if the raw data that's recorded needs ECC to be analyzed, so I don't know if I'd benefit from it.


So what do you guys think? And what can you guys tell me about these lovely new E5's? I've heard both good and bad things about them so, I'm all ears.
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Heya guys,

I'm working on putting together something unusual. Well I guess not all that unusual these days. Anyway, I am putting together a workstation and entertainment system all in one. The Workstation part is chemical analysis, spectral NMR scan processing, (both 2d and 3d), and other things for my degree. I'm also going to be doing physics simulations as well as 3d design.
Entertainment-wise, movies and games at 4k, quality audio for a receiver and a decent sound system (I prefer stereo for music, depending on the game 5.1).
I'm also going for an extreme enthusiast machine, as I will be overclocking and watercooling with an SLI setup (this is what it's about right?)


So I've come to a cross roads. Should I go with something like an E5-2670v3 or should I stick with an i7-5960x? I mean one thing I love doing is overclocking, however 12-cores and ECC would be nice for data analysis. I don't know if I can set the GPUs (don't decent ones usually have ECC capability?) to do processing but that would be fun....


What would the right CPU be? What are the capabilities of these E5-2600v3's? Are they overclockable? What is up with there being only one or two cores that are 'turbo-clocked'? Is it worth investing into if I want to also play around with overclocking?

Overall the price of a build with an E5-2670v3 is only about $350 more than building a 5960x system despite the cost of the processors being so different (probably due to non-ECC consumer DDR4 32GB in 4x8GB modules are practically nilche and are going up in price, but ECC seems to be in decent supply...).

What are the capabilities of the E5-2670v3 as far as overclocking, and performance-wise, obviously it's going to be doing better with multicore vs singlecore I imagine if it was compared at 3.2GHz vs an overclocked 4.5GHz 5960x? But is it worth it to lose the ability to overclock every core for the extra 4 cores and ECC? I'm honestly not sure if the raw data that's recorded needs ECC to be analyzed, so I don't know if I'd benefit from it.


So what do you guys think? And what can you guys tell me about these lovely new E5's? I've heard both good and bad things about them so, I'm all ears.

Ok, If you are only going to buy single CPU, then there is no point in buying a 2600 series. You should be buying a 1600 series. There are Certain 1600v3's that are overclockable.
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While going through a xeon vs i7 debate from the x99 platform, I discovered the xeons aren't really overclockable. You can only squeeze a little bit of baseclock overclocking (capped at 7-8%) out of them. They've been locked up since Sandy-Bridge. As the platform matures, I hope we find out that is false with certain boards, allowing us to change the baseclock strapping to get better OC's out of the xeon. I was interested in the 85W E5 2620v3 because it was comparable to the 5820k in price, had all 40 lanes of PCIe, and still had all the power I was going to need to SLI to GTX 980's while bringing down the TDP.
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Yeah I was curious about that. I didn't think the 2600's would be overclockable, and probably not worth going with unless I needed a lot of cores or needed dual CPU... I just wnated to verify.

I nhaven't done my research on the 1600's because it seems that only 8, 6 and 4 core versions are out, and the 8 cores are more expensive than the 12core 2600. However I was curious, will there be anymore 1600v3's released? I saw rumoured specs for a 1691 and 1681, and a few others, 14, 12 and 10 core models. Any chances those will exist or just what's out there?


If that's the case, should I just stick with the i7 5960x?
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I nhaven't done my research on the 1600's because it seems that only 8, 6 and 4 core versions are out, and the 8 cores are more expensive than the 12core 2600. However I was curious, will there be anymore 1600v3's released? I saw rumoured specs for a 1691 and 1681, and a few others, 14, 12 and 10 core models. Any chances those will exist or just what's out there?

There is still a topic http://www.overclock.net/t/1510429/so-what-is-the-equivalent-xeon-2011-that-matches-the-5960x which we should stick to discuss news about whether or not such 1691 and 1681 would appear.
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If that's the case, should I just stick with the i7 5960x?
I've ordered myself one 1660V3, but it'll take some 3 weeks be4 I would get my hands on CPU and mobo and start building. I HOPE that 1660V3 is cooler than 5960X and give better o/c
Anyway I wouldn't recommend buying 2670V3 'cause it is not overclockable and 12-core TurboBoost in it only would give some 2500 or 2700MHz, never 3200MHz. 3000 or 3200MHz you will only see if it boosts 1, 2, 3 or 4 cores, never all 12. So 1660V3 @ 4500 would be 10-20% faster than 2670V3@2700MHz. And if 1660V3 could take 4600MHz it'll blow 2670 of the water. So choose between 1660V3, 1680V3 and 5960X, if I had $1700 to spare I would try those 1680V3, maybe they're so higher binned and would achieve 4600 on air. Maybe they don't have this "one too hotter core than the rest" problem
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