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My stepdad's i7 970 is starting to show its age and he's looking for an upgrade.


Uses:

Rhino 3d modeling. Strictly single-threaded, very demanding in more complex models.

Very, very distant second is V-Ray rendering, which is as multi-threaded as multi-threaded can be. His 970 finishes renders in about fifteen seconds as it is so it's not a very large consideration.


Limitations:

- No manual overclocking. I know this ruins your guys' fun but his inclination is to let what works continue to work, and otherwise not mess with anything unless someone within driving distance is willing to put a full warranty on it.

- Cash. Cheaper is good.


Current system:

i7 970
x58 Sabretooth
6x4GB CL8 1600 RAM
GeForce 660


Options:

- The company that built his current computer for him is willing to trade his 970 for a 980x or 990x, give it a small overclock and a guarantee, and upgrade all his RAM for $500. I don't know what "upgrade" means in this case, but the rest of his computer is performing fine so sticking with parts that we know are solid would be nice.

- Buy an i7 4790k and a decent motherboard for ~$450 from Microcenter, maybe another $50 for a new aftermarket cooler if his current one won't fit on a LGA1150 motherboard, and find a local company that's willing to assemble it and put a warranty on it for like $50-$100. Probably no overclock but 4.4Ghz turbo is pretty nice, and being able to resell the old CPU and motherboard would bring the price down.


Option B is looking really good, but I can't find any solid numbers comparing the 970/990x/4790k or any information on how the standard benchmarks might compare to Rhino, so we're just churning numbers without much context. Obviously the 4790k is going to be the best out of the three, but having a company that he's used for years offer to do everything and provide a warranty is a big draw for a guy who just wants things to work.

So I guess this is a lot of words to ask, does anyone have any hands-on or authoritative knowledge on what benchmarks are comparable to Rhino, or how well the 4790k stacks up to the 970 and 990x in single-threaded 3d modeling workloads either with a small overclock or just turbo?
Edited by bigpoppapump - 10/20/14 at 7:00pm
post #2 of 26
going from 970 to 980 or 990x is marginal upgrade. if he is not willing to overclock then i'm sorry but the x58 socket has reached its limitation as far as non overclocking goes,

that sabertooth still holds its value quite well due to all the cheap xeon x58 chips on the market. he can sell that off for around 150-200.

in your stepdad's scenario. i think going haswell or maybe even x99 is the only option.

a 4790k's single thread performance will obliterate any 6 core x58 chips. at least 2-3 times more faster
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Is he running an ssd or a traditional platter drive?
    
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Over clocking is the way to go, but if not, like the above poster said, you've reached the limit of x58. That sabertooth is one of the best over clocking x58 boards out there too...
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His problem probably is bus speed rather than actual cpu. If he's unwilling to overclock things start to get ugly fast. I'm actually wondering if he might be best served by a xenon. They're all cpu locked anyway. K chips and z series motherboards are also pointless. He need needs clock over processor count so a 4 core will be fine.

Lemme think a bit and I'll get back to you.
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For $500 the 4790k seems the most reasonable. X99 would be great but then he would also need new ram, which would blow over half that budget.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigpoppapump View Post

- The company that built his current computer for him is willing to trade his 970 for a 980x or 990x, give it a small overclock and a guarantee, and upgrade all his RAM for $500. I don't know what "upgrade" means in this case, but the rest of his computer is performing fine so sticking with parts that we know are solid would be nice.

That is a terrible use of $500. "Upgrading to a 980x or 990x will make no difference. The 970 is already a 6 core on the same architecture. Get the i7-4790K. It should be a great deal faster in the single threaded applications and should be the same or better in multi-threaded.

If he is game for spending more than $500 then switching to X99 would be the best bet.. But you'd be looking at around ~$800 to switch to X99 because you need to buy new DDR4 RAM.

EDIT:

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/157?vs=1260
Edited by iinversion - 10/20/14 at 6:44pm
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Ok. I looked at xenon and whatnot. None of them go over 3.7ghz. If you're really talking lowland, aG3460 on an h series motherboard might be the way to go.

It's multi threaded 2 core, which is effectively 4, at 3.5ghz. You can get into that for less than what you'd get for selling the motherboard.

The problem with th 4790k is there's a huge premium on it for the overclockability, and you won't be seeing any of that benefit.
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Ok. I looked at xenon and whatnot. None of them go over 3.7ghz. If you're really talking lowland, aG3460 on an h series motherboard might be the way to go.

It's multi threaded 2 core, which is effectively 4, at 3.5ghz. You can get into that for less than what you'd get for selling the motherboard.

The problem with th 4790k is there's a huge premium on it for the overclockability, and you won't be seeing any of that benefit.

The difference between the 4790 and the 4790K is like $10-$20 depending where you buy, I would hardly call that a huge premium. Getting the K variant ensures that it will retain a better resale value down the road.

The 4790K also boosts 400MHz higher, which considering the OP is not gonna be overclocking that is worth the extra alone.
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Thanks for the comments, everyone. I agree that x58 is about at the end of its lifespan, I ran the Xeon option past him but overclocking is the snag. x99 is just too expensive.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReciever View Post

Is he running an ssd or a traditional platter drive?

Currently platter, but probably an SSD soon.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bombastinator View Post

His problem probably is bus speed rather than actual cpu. If he's unwilling to overclock things start to get ugly fast. I'm actually wondering if he might be best served by a xenon. They're all cpu locked anyway. K chips and z series motherboards are also pointless. He need needs clock over processor count so a 4 core will be fine.

Lemme think a bit and I'll get back to you.

If it helps, his computer really starts to eat dirt in anything involving heavy boolean math, heavy meshes, or models with a lot of unmerged detail work.

Quote:
Originally Posted by iinversion View Post

EDIT:

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/157?vs=1260

The problem is I have no idea how those benchmarks would compare to real-life workloads. The only explicitly single-threaded benchmark listed is Cinebench, and his rendering environments are simple enough that they aren't a chokepoint.
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