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Hello OCN! I was wondering your guys opinion on the new 5k iMacs as a "General" purpose gaming machine.

3.5GHz Quad-core Intel Core i5, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB
AMD Radeon R9 M295X 4GB GDDR5


I can't seem to find any information on the M295 and m290.

How does the m295x perform against say a 7870?
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There still seems to be very little details about the M295X, but from all I can gather the M290X is a rebranded 8970M, which is a rebranded 7970M which is supposedly equivalent to a 7870. So I would say it's safe to assume the M295X is at least a little more powerful than the 7870.

As for gaming... I don't think you'll be doing too much gaming at 5k with it. If you were to drop game res to 2560x1440, then you shouldn't have too much problem for most light games. So I think more details on the kinds of games you want to play would be important. Even then, performance is going to be pretty bad I would assume.

If the main attraction for you was the 5K, I would say just wait it out for more 5K monitors to come out so prices drop. Apples new iMac 5K's base price of $2,500 is the same price as Dells 5K monitor right now, so price will likely drop sometime soon. Along with LG and Sharp 5K monitors coming out.

And also remember that Apple isn't targeting gamers with the 5K iMac ( not that they target gamers anyways ), and going with the non-5K version with the GTX750M or GTX775M will yield much better results if you intend to stay Apple.
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Save the money, buy PC parts and assemble it yourself/hire someone you trust or has insurance on their work to do it.

If you don't know how to operate windows I suggest the professor teaches dvds, they worked for my Grandpa, who is surprisingly tech savy for a 80 YO who just got into computer stuff 3 years ago and its mostly to do with those tutorials+him knowing when to call someone and ask a question.

Best part: you'll still spend less on your computer for better performance. With Apple you pay out the wazoo for the name and the name isn't worth an extra grand.

Best part about this: since 5k tech basically doesnt exist in terms of over the counter products you can just hook your brand new PC up to your TV with a HDMI cable and use that as a monitor instead this way when 5k does become readily available you can just upgrade. (pretty sure Apple hates the dreaded U word as its being used here, they want it to mean buy another computer, when that's totally overkill in all but a few scenarios)
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Save the money, buy PC parts and assemble it yourself/hire someone you trust or has insurance on their work to do it.

He was looking at an AIO. You aren't going to build your own AIO on a whim with just a bit of money. That would take a good bit of planning.
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If you don't know how to operate windows I suggest the professor teaches dvds, they worked for my Grandpa, who is surprisingly tech savy for a 80 YO who just got into computer stuff 3 years ago and its mostly to do with those tutorials+him knowing when to call someone and ask a question.

I highly doubt adamkatt has a problem with operating Windows.
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Best part: you'll still spend less on your computer for better performance.

Subjective at best depending on scenario, machine and class of machine.
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With Apple you pay out the wazoo for the name and the name isn't worth an extra grand.

Or you know, you could do your homework and quit the mindless blind hate.

Apple is no more or no less expensive than any other OEM. In fact, the machines Apple puts out in their perspective classes, usually give you more for you money than the likes of Dell, HP, Lenovo or other offerings. When the new SFF Mac Pro was released, you couldn't build a machine yourself that would even come close for the same amount of money in the same or near same form factor. And if you were going to spend more on a machine ( needed the extra power for a work horse ), then you could of course build a workstation that could better it. But it would cost, a lot more, and be massive in comparison. But for a simple home or small office workstation, the Mac Pro is there. Same again now for the iMac, not only are their only 1 or two other 5k offerings, but the iMac not only gives you a monitor for the same price, but an entire computer ( the Dell 5K monitor is $2,500 by itself, Apple not only gave you the amazing monitor, but a computer that can drive it too ). When it comes to their laptops, they're again on par or better than all others in their class. Not only are their products extremely fair for what they offer in the class they're in, but Apple support is some of the absolute best in the industry. Period.

When it comes to OEM upgrades for all of their machines, Apple again is either right on par with their competitors, or often times lesser than ( HP being more expensive all around for RAM and CPU upgrades on similar machines ).

People also make the mistake of comparing Apple stuff to gaming stuff or custom builds when they're aiming at completely different markets. And while it's true you can go for a "gaming" or customer product and get more over all performance, you'll end up sacrificing a ton of other things. I like to have a balance. I like having enough performance to do what I want and need to do, but also like the form factors they offer, and the materials they use. I like having the support they offer, not that I need it but because if something does happen that I can't fix myself, I know I can count on them ( and have had to a few times before ). And yes, lastly I like aesthetics, and Apples products are great in that department as people love to point out.

And don't forget that some people actually like the OS X operating system, I know I do. And it again, is no more of a "walled garden" than any other operating system as people like to call it. By default it's set up to be relatively secured for the end user, but that can all be disabled with a push of a button and you can then do anything you want on it.

And when it comes to resale value... you can't beat it. I haven't had to pay more than $100-200 every couple generations to keep my stuff upgraded. And that's something I value, knowing that when I go to sell my $2,700 Macbook, that I can readily get $2,300-$2,500 for it every a year or two later and upgrade to the newer better model ( when a major refresh takes place at least ). Very few other products out there keep their value as good as Apple products do. When it came to upgrading my iPhones, I haven't paid but $50 each upgrade and right now I'm still using my 4S as it's all I need. And I buy my phones out right, never on contract.
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Best part about this: since 5k tech basically doesnt exist in terms of over the counter products you can just hook your brand new PC up to your TV with a HDMI cable and use that as a monitor instead this way when 5k does become readily available you can just upgrade. (pretty sure Apple hates the dreaded U word as its being used here, they want it to mean buy another computer, when that's totally overkill in all but a few scenarios)

5K is technically here, though there's few cards that can push it. And technically the card Apple is using shouldn't be able to ( bandwidth issue with display port ), and people are still trying to figure out how they're doing it with some guessing they overclocked the display port. Or altered it in some other way to actually squeeze the performance out of it that they needed.

And no, Apple doesn't hate the Upgrade word. All of their machines have allowed you to upgrade parts rather freely for quite some time ( You could even overclock them for a while ). It's not until recently that they had to start soldering parts. Quite simply when you go as small as they're going you have to make sacrifices, and bulky connectors are some of the largest pieces on a circuit board and a solder join can cut them down quite a bit, so logically they're the first to go. Every milometer counts. Yes this causes some issues with longevity, but this is also why Apple has been upping it's base RAM amount with no additional cost to the end user from the previous generations with less. And RAM is often the only issue longevity, the CPU's will be fine for a long number of years, but applications are starting to use more and more RAM ( but that's less of a problem these days as it was when we only had 128-256MB of RAM ).


If you're going to hate on Apple, at least find an actual reason and not the same regurgitated crap that the internet spits outs. Their business practices are a good reason to not like them lately, but their products are solid and fairly priced.
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