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What if you instead made two systems?
One for storage of your films as an NAS and the other will be your gaming rig.
Honestly it would save alot of money in so many ways. You would be able to stream your films over your connection whether it be wireless or wired, and store all your games on your gaming rig.
You would be able to put about 8 or so harddrives on each.

Also I forgot to mention this before but you can use the half mini express ssd slot on the motherboard. That would be one less sata connection needed. This would require a motherboard with one of these connections however. * I cannot see whether your sabertooth has one.

EDIT*
*not M.2 but internal msata slots like my z87m oc formula has. (outlined in red)


Something like this will fit in there--> Msata 250GB Samsung 840 EVO <-- Not M.2
Edited by malzmidx - 10/21/14 at 1:26pm
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Also I forgot to mention this before but you can use the half mini express ssd slot on the motherboard. That would be one less sata connection needed. This would require a motherboard with one of these connections however. * I cannot see whether your sabertooth has one.

No, neither Sabertooth Z97 (Mark 1 not Mark 2) have native M.2
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No, neither Sabertooth Z97 (Mark 1 not Mark 2) have native M.2
I do not mean to be hating on the Sabertooth, I honestly wanted one myself before. But it currently looks outdated spec wise.

OP is there any reason you chose the Sabertooth specifically? As in color scheme, preferences, etc? Otherwise I truly believe a different motherboard would be better.
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seems like you should build 2 pc's and not one...
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Yeah sorry I wasn't clear. The resulting storage space would end up being 24tb, with the disks in raid10. Current machine is raid0, which is the first and last time I make that mistake.

with that many drives you really should consider a better raid solution and drives. WD Reds are rated for up to 8 drive configurations and Red pros are 16 i believe. Your also wasting a ton of space with a RAID 10 configuration, you probably want to go with a RAID 5 or 6. Preferably a 6. You also need to consider that you will lose about 10% of your space due to formatting.

Lets do some math:

RAID 10
16x 3tb drives, 8 lost due to parity, so 8x3=24tb - 10% is about 21tb of usable space

RAID 5
8x 4tb drives, 1 lost due to parity. so 7x4=28tb - 10% is about 25tb of usable space.

RAID 6
8x 4tb drives, 2 lost due to parity. so 6x4=24tb - 10% is about 21tb of usable space.

You may want to consider RAID card solutions as well. EDIT: oops, missed that in the sea of drives

With cheap drives that aren't configured for RAIDs, you will lose them. Spend the money on better drives at the minimum.
Edited by PhillyB - 10/21/14 at 2:15pm
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You may want to consider dropping in hot swap bays for your raid as well. This will reduce the number of SATA power connectors you need significantly along with the benefit of hot swap.
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It's good to see that you plan on using some redundancy as I would be a little concerned about the reliability of the drives you have chosen for important data. I would be curious about the possibility of buying about half the number of drives you had planned, upgraded to WD Reds, and adding more as you go. I don't know if this is possible or advisable for your RAID configuration but I estimate that the initial cost would be the same while offering a little better performance and reliability.

You might want to consider diversifying the hard drive models you use as a simple precaution. It's probably unnecessary in your case but I understand that it's one way to effectively reduce the impact of drive failures related to bad batches. Probabilities aside, there are some things that need not be left to chance.

I agree that attitudes towards certain PSU's may come off as rather extreme but I've learned to accept it as a necessary evil. Beyond the argument of wattage, it would seem that any given PSU is either branded as excellent or a ticking time bomb with scarcely anything in between. If you're not working with a budget where money saved on a PSU can be used on something else and your electricity bill isn't an issue, then all you have to worry about is the concern I just mentioned. I definitely support your decision to avoid excessive use of adapters because that would be rather precarious. I think you could even further eliminate a point of failure if you could find a non-modular power supply if that's not totally unfeasible.

It honestly would almost be worth it. Only issue is i need space and speed over reliability, and with the redundancy afforded by RAID10 i should be ok. Although, it is definitely an option. I have very rarely seen WDR drives fail in RAID.

As for the PSU, i think i made a little bit of a mistake... An AX1200i has more than enough wattage and could save me 30$. Thats what i get for using US websites in canada. Am swapping right now.
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I do not mean to be hating on the Sabertooth, I honestly wanted one myself before. But it currently looks outdated spec wise.

OP is there any reason you chose the Sabertooth specifically? As in color scheme, preferences, etc? Otherwise I truly believe a different motherboard would be better.

looks basically. The m.2 support doesnt really matter to me that much. Its more the SATAe that i somewhat want, and even then, its pretty useless as of right now. Theres that, and theres also the fact that it would seem that they OC REALLY REALLY REALLY well. Although, i might also wait for the z170 variant to drop with Skylakes.
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You may want to consider dropping in hot swap bays for your raid as well. This will reduce the number of SATA power connectors you need significantly along with the benefit of hot swap.
SNT 4 drive bay
ICY DOCK 5 drive bay

hotswaps would be nice in the 3 5.25 bays that the stacker has, but i would only be able to accomodate 1 unit of 4 drives max unless i go balls deep and heavily mod the case, which im not equipped to do. I would have a question pertaining to hotswaps though since they would make the rig look cool: Considering my RAID card uses SAS connectors, would it even be compatible with hotswap bays?

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING BUILD: The SATA layout would be all HDDs on the raid card, the SSD and possible optical on the mobos sata controller.
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with that many drives you really should consider a better raid solution and drives. WD Reds are rated for up to 8 drive configurations and Red pros are 16 i believe. Your also wasting a ton of space with a RAID 10 configuration, you probably want to go with a RAID 5 or 6. Preferably a 6. You also need to consider that you will lose about 10% of your space due to formatting.

Lets do some math:

RAID 10
16x 3tb drives, 8 lost due to parity, so 8x3=24tb - 10% is about 21tb of usable space

RAID 5
8x 4tb drives, 1 lost due to parity. so 7x4=28tb - 10% is about 25tb of usable space.

RAID 6
8x 4tb drives, 2 lost due to parity. so 6x4=24tb - 10% is about 21tb of usable space.

You may want to consider RAID card solutions as well. EDIT: oops, missed that in the sea of drives

With cheap drives that aren't configured for RAIDs, you will lose them. Spend the money on better drives at the minimum.

I know that Seagates are a pain when it comes to raid, but im looking for cheap solutions that are readily available from local retailers. I am considering the price difference between the Barracudas and the Western Digital Reds (non-pro) which is 7$ (edited, said 30$), but would be worried about their performance in a 16-disc array (they are rated for up to 5)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236344&cm_re=western_digital_red_3tb-_-22-236-344-_-Product The red drive im considering.

EDIT - i just looked up the price of the seagates, and unless otherwise advised, im gonna go with the reds. 7$ more per drive is insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
Edited by blackmagic12345 - 10/21/14 at 11:02pm
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