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i have Sound Blaster Z PCIe Gaming Sound Card, What should I pair for gaming and movies? well 80% gaming 20% movies and i care about comfortable.
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edit: the OP linked the open AD700X instead of the A700X I was mistakenly talking about below, FYI.

So the decisive difference here is that the A700Xs are closed headphones, while the 990s are open (the 990s are the most open of the Beyer lineup, the 880s are semi-open and the 770s are closed).

Do you care about sound leakage? Open headphones are softly audible to people around you.

Your soundcard has an integrated amp, which is good because it's mandatory for the 990s. If you want to use these headphones occasionally in your phone or an unamped source, the 990s are not the way to go. From my experience with my 880s (which are quite similar to 990s, just with a more flat response curve instead of the 990s V shape curve), these headphones are amp sensitive. I've owned 4 amps, and on two of them the headphones sounded poor. On the other hand 880s with my current tube amp is literally my dream setup.

The 990s will (potentially) have better quality bass than the A700X. With a bass friendly amp, Beyers have great low extension. On the other hand, the closed nature of the A700X will give more reverb, and the bass might seem more apparent, even if it isn't as accurate and powerful as the Beyers. The low-mid range AT headphones are very well known for being bass light.

Treble will be forward in both of these headphones. The 990s have a V shaped response curve which can sound vibrant and engaging, but at the same time the treble frequencies can be a bit much for some people. It depends on your ears. For gaming and entertainment this shouldn't be an issue at all (sharper footsteps and deeper explosions).

Throw in Razer Surround with a game feeding 7.1 audio and Beyers will give you near sound hacks in multiplayer FPS, I can guarantee that...

Sound positioning will be better on the 990s. This is an advantage of open headphones, and the 880s/990s are near the top of the list for sound positioning (behind the AKG701s which are, some say, unnaturally wide).

The 990s will be very comfortable, and the build quality on Beyers is quite good (my anecdotal example is that my 880s are from 2003 and have a good 10k+ hours of use on them easily). After a few years you might want to replace the ear pads though (or at least wash them), which is quite easy. If we have to highlight negatives in the department, Beyers have mediocre cabling, and Audio Technicas are fragile and vulnerable to damage during dropping, etc. The ATs will be comfortable too but if you have a big head they can be tight. The 990 pro is a tight headphone too (for DJs and such who are moving around), and the 990 premium is a looser more casual fit.

As you can see it's not a clear cut decision. These are very different headphones. That said, in a high end setup, the DT990 is going to be the superior headphone when it comes to accurate reproduction of sound. As a happy gamer using 880s, I'd say give the Beyers a try, but keep in mind there is a chance they will not get along with your amp and if that's the case just return them.
Edited by mechtech - 10/21/14 at 2:22am
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So the decisive difference here is that the A700Xs are closed headphones, while the 990s are open (the 990s are the most open of the Beyer lineup, the 880s are semi-open and the 770s are closed).

Do you care about sound leakage? Open headphones are softly audible to people around you.

Your soundcard has an integrated amp, which is good because it's mandatory for the 990s. If you want to use these headphones occasionally in your phone or an unamped source, the 990s are not the way to go. From my experience with my 880s (which are quite similar to 990s, just with a more flat response curve instead of the 990s V shape curve), these headphones are amp sensitive. I've owned 4 amps, and on two of them the headphones sounded poor. On the other hand 880s with my current tube amp is literally my dream setup.

The 990s will (potentially) have better quality bass than the A700X. With a bass friendly amp, Beyers have great low extension. On the other hand, the closed nature of the A700X will give more reverb, and the bass might seem more apparent, even if it isn't as accurate and powerful as the Beyers. The low-mid range AT headphones are very well known for being bass light.

Treble will be forward in both of these headphones. The 990s have a V shaped response curve which can sound vibrant and engaging, but at the same time the treble frequencies can be a bit much for some people. It depends on your ears. For gaming and entertainment this shouldn't be an issue at all (sharper footsteps and deeper explosions).

Throw in Razer Surround with a game feeding 7.1 audio and Beyers will give you near sound hacks in multiplayer FPS, I can guarantee that...

Sound positioning will be better on the 990s. This is an advantage of open headphones, and the 880s/990s are near the top of the list for sound positioning (behind the AKG701s which are, some say, unnaturally wide).

The 990s will be very comfortable, and the build quality on Beyers is quite good (my anecdotal example is that my 880s are from 2003 and have a good 10k+ hours of use on them easily). After a few years you might want to replace the ear pads though (or at least wash them), which is quite easy. If we have to highlight negatives in the department, Beyers have mediocre cabling, and Audio Technicas are fragile and vulnerable to damage during dropping, etc. The ATs will be comfortable too but if you have a big head they can be tight. The 990 pro is a tight headphone too (for DJs and such who are moving around), and the 990 premium is a looser more casual fit.

As you can see it's not a clear cut decision. These are very different headphones. That said, in a high end setup, the DT990 is going to be the superior headphone when it comes to accurate reproduction of sound. As a happy gamer using 880s, I'd say give the Beyers a try, but keep in mind there is a chance they will not get along with your amp and if that's the case just return them.

First of all i would to thank you about explain everything.. but there is mistake in the subject i mean Audio Technica ATH-AD700X ..
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but keep in mind there is a chance they will not get along with your amp and if that's the case just return them.

can you explain this for me? i didn't get it smile.gif
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I have both headphones and an AKG Q701 and a Sennhiser G4me One.

If you are mainly gaming I would suggest the G4ME One or even better the AKG Q701. Gaming FPS = Sound Stage and the AKG takes the lead easily for soundstage but with a bit more precesion and no bass to ruin that precesion.

The G4me One is currently my fav as an all rounder... Nice Bass but with very decent sound stage.

If you are talking about the AD700x Vs Beyer... I would take the Beyer... Soundstages are simlar but the Beyer got better base overall.
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I have both headphones and an AKG Q701 and a Sennhiser G4me One.

If you are mainly gaming I would suggest the G4ME One or even better the AKG Q701. Gaming FPS = Sound Stage and the AKG takes the lead easily for soundstage but with a bit more precesion and no bass to ruin that precesion.

The G4me One is currently my fav as an all rounder... Nice Bass but with very decent sound stage.

If you are talking about the AD700x Vs Beyer... I would take the Beyer... Soundstages are simlar but the Beyer got better base overall.

the AKG Q 701 price ~200$ same as beyer ... but this my first time i heard about the AKG Q 701, i'll read about this headphone and keep in my mind. Thank you
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The Q701 is one of my favorite headphones when it comes to bang for the buck, although it is no secret that I am a big Grado fan tongue.gif

I use them for everything from gaming, to music listening, to studio/production use and they are well rounded enoughtto perform well above averagein all tthree, very different, usage scenarios.

Definitely give them a look.
   
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Ah yes, the AD700 is open too. In that case, the DT990 is going to be the superior headphone. I'll keep my last post unchanged because the open vs closed opinions are still valid.

Considering the AKG 701 is a great idea. It's very close to the Beyer 880s. Both the 880s and the 701s are reference headphones, which means they have flat response curves. For listening to music, some say this type of headphone is boring. The 701s in particular are quite bass light and not at all in your face. For this reason, I prefer the 880s because they have decent bass quantity with a proper amp, but on the other hand the 701s are literally the #1 headphone when it comes to sound positioning, which is a very nice title to have.

If you want a purely accurate headphone, the K701/DT880 is the way to go. If you want a more lively sounding open headphone, then the 990 might be for you. It's worth thinking this point through a bit. What do you really want? If you attend a movie in a theater, I guarantee you the bass is far more emphasized than it is in the hollywood production studio, because it's more entertaining. Those mixing engineers in the studio, should they be wearing headphones, are probably wearing k701s (or 880s, or another reference headphone) wink.gif

To clarify what I meant about "amp sensitive headphones", I can explain. Some headphones have a more variable change in character depending on the amp/DAC they are plugged into. This is a totally subjective opinion and depends on the listener a fair bit, but for example some results like an "in the head" sound (where the sound seems like it's coming from inside of your head) can be quite off-putting. This probably isn't a problem you need to worry about. I only say this because sometimes people spend $200 on headphones and $200 on an amp/soundcard and force themselves to like a combination that just doesn't work for their ears. I've returned audio parts because they didn't work for me before, it's not the end of the world rolleyes.gif

FYI the K701s require a good amp as well, perhaps more than the Beyer 880/990 series. Again the integrated amp in your soundcard should be sufficient, but a 701 ran out of an iphone is going to sound tinny, for example.

Here is a good compare/contrast for the 880/701: http://www.head-fi.org/t/552716/beyerdynamic-dt880-250-ohm-comparative-review-vs-akg-k701
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Thank you guys! really appreciate your help wink.gif

now im between AKG Q 701 and beye 990 pro 250ohm thumb.gif
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I haven't tried the AD700X I had and HATED the AD700 didn't stay on my fairly large head very well... and I was allergic to the earpads (personal problem I realize...but from day 1 i couldn't wear them more than 20 minutes without having a reaction on my ears...) leaving that aside they had what I would generously describe as... NO BASS WHATSOEVER...

I use the beyerdynamics DT770 Pro 80s now.... which i love I also picked up a pair of Pioneer SE-A1000 for $35 on sale and i'd take them over the AD700 (again haven't tried the AD700X) all day anyday.

beyerdynamics have awesome comfort and are very well built I'd take them anyday.
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