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Yeah i went a little overboard on my rounding. PCPartPicker has the G3258 + R7 260X combination at $157.99 after rebates. Thats $15 more for a hell of a lot more GPU performance and negligible loss of performance in multi-threaded apps.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WrGH8d

And what is the motherboard pricing? Do you get as good of a board with the same benefits?

It's one thing to say you only spend a little more then leave out one of the more important internals that's directly related to the build price.

All in all, from what I've still found you tend to get a better board for cheaper.

The other part people leave out, if you don't need that extra power then are you really saving. Which pulls more power, can you justify the experience by using more electricity which essentially makes one build more expensive long term.

Just saying pricin the CPU alone with dedicated graphics is a good way to sidestep things. Good sales tactic, horrible honest debate.
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And what is the motherboard pricing? Do you get as good of a board with the same benefits?

It's one thing to say you only spend a little more then leave out one of the more important internals that's directly related to the build price.

All in all, from what I've still found you tend to get a better board for cheaper.

The other part people leave out, if you don't need that extra power then are you really saving. Which pulls more power, can you justify the experience by using more electricity which essentially makes one build more expensive long term.

Just saying pricin the CPU alone with dedicated graphics is a good way to sidestep things. Good sales tactic, horrible honest debate.

Cheap FM2 boards are pretty bad. A Pentium G3258 will easily OC to 4.5+GHz on an $50-$60 ASRock H81 board and you don't need to worry about frying them as the CPU isn't drawing more than 100 watts.

Edit: I keep typing "G3528" for some reason.
 
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They are not. They are prefectly capable chips for what they were designed for. And priced very well aswell. Nothing from amd can beat that single core performance.

Anyone who is building a rig with a locked Pentium/Celeron more than likely won't be doing anything that requires huge single-threaded grunt, so the point is moot.

Also in response to an earlier post: Not everyone who builds a PC will overclock it. In fact, overclockers are yet another tiny niche when it comes to DIY builders in general.

OT: This is most likely to clear out some stock and help convince people to buy these since they're not so overpriced (for what they are) anymore. Also prepping for Carrizo next year.
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And what is the motherboard pricing? Do you get as good of a board with the same benefits?

It's one thing to say you only spend a little more then leave out one of the more important internals that's directly related to the build price.

All in all, from what I've still found you tend to get a better board for cheaper.

The other part people leave out, if you don't need that extra power then are you really saving. Which pulls more power, can you justify the experience by using more electricity which essentially makes one build more expensive long term.

Just saying pricin the CPU alone with dedicated graphics is a good way to sidestep things. Good sales tactic, horrible honest debate.

The G3258 + 260X with a cheap H97 board will still give you way more performance per dollar than a 7850K + A88X setup, even if you do get 2 less USB ports.
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The G3258 is kinda useless without a massive overclock.
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The G3258 is kinda useless without a massive overclock.

Good thing it's really easy to attain that.
 
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Obviously, the A10 is not a direct competitor for the pentium + 260X . AMD has the iGPU+less athlons for that purpose. It targets these builds that do not use a video card ( low TDP/ultra slims,HTPC etc) and goes against locked i5s, losing in cpu, winning in gpu. Adding any GPU defeats the purpose of those builds As for "single core cpu grunt", do you really need 4.5GHz haswell for opening word or youtube?
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Obviously, the A10 is not a direct competitor for the pentium + 260X . AMD has the iGPU+less athlons for that purpose. It targets these builds that do not use a video card ( low TDP/ultra slims,HTPC etc) and goes against locked i5s, losing in cpu, winning in gpu. Adding any GPU defeats the purpose of those builds As for "single core cpu grunt", do you really need 4.5GHz haswell for opening word or youtube?

Yeah if you look at it that way it makes sense.
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Finally. They are now at the correct prices. I wonder if the new CEO had a say in this. This seems like a very sensible decision.

Still, the best options are the A8-7600, or, if you want an unlocked CPU, the A10-7700K. Anything above it is a niche use. The 512 stream processor GPU inside the A10-7850K and A10-7800 is bottlenecked by the DDR3 memory interface, you might as well get the same performance by overclocking the 384 shader part on the A10-7700K.

You do have some applications that can leverage the GPU compute power, but then again those same applications can be even further accelerated by a Radeon discrete GPU, hence for a budget gaming system an APU doesn't make any sense. Office computer / computer for mom and dad / HTPC, sure, but that is A8-7600 material. If you want to tinker around with CPU overclocking, then A10-7700K.


Now onto the GPU prices, make those commercial arrangements with vendors on a global scale. Some markets are still selling the R9 290X for more than € 500 and the R9 290 for € 399 and more.

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Slightly less CPU grunt? The A10 gets crushed in single thread apps by the Pentium G3528 even at 4.4GHz. That's the vast majority of what you will be using on a general use PC.

Correct. However, its graphics are an order of magnitude better and it can multitask much better due to the extra cores. It's office work. You don't need a particularly powerful CPU. Given that my 1226 V3's integrated graphics - a P4600 - can't run non-Aero Windows 7 without some stuttering, I'll take the better graphics over the technically-better processor. Really, an SSD and any dual-core or better with a competent iGPU is more than enough for 99% of users.


What resolution and how many monitors are you using ? Aero worked fine even with Windows Vista on a Northbridge integrated GMA 950, so I have some doubts as to how Windows 7 with Aero off can stutter on a IB class GPU.

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You could get a G3258 and an R7 260x for $10 more than a 7850K.


Coming from my first comment in this post, exactly. For a gaming system this will give much better gaming performance for a similar price.
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Better drop Carrizo soon and I mean mobile Carrizo. I can still cancel my Kaveri notebook if they release a quality Carrizo notebook in less than a month. I doubt it will happen.
Well whatever if it doesn't drop I might swap it for a Asus Transformerbook 300FA with Intel Core M 5y10a once they become available.
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