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The thing is we cant know for sure because it could just mean A8 can maintain higher clock longer then A7 to to thermals.

Also Apple does not really design CPU or the GPU unless they own PowerVR and ARM. Nvidia for example design their GPU but the CPU is based on ARM designs.

ARM provides a special license that allows licensees to implement the ARM ISA however they wish, i.e. in a custom microarchitecture. That's what Apple does, that's what Qualcomm does, that's what Nvidia does, that's what AMD is in the process of doing.
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Also Apple does not really design CPU or the GPU unless they own PowerVR and ARM. Nvidia for example design their GPU but the CPU is based on ARM designs.

This really isn't correct. Both Denver and cyclone (or whatever the codename for these new gen of cyclone designs is) are completely in house core designs. They just use the ARM ISA.

Would be just as incorrect to say that AMD doesn't really design their own CPUs because they use the x86 ISA.

There are off the shelf arm cores and then there are completely custom in house designs. A15, A53 etc. belong in the former category and Denver, A7, A7... in the latter.
 
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This really isn't correct. Both Denver and cyclone (or whatever the codename for these new gen of cyclone designs is) are completely in house core designs. They just use the ARM ISA.

Would be just as incorrect to say that AMD doesn't really design their own CPUs because they use the x86 ISA.

There are off the shelf arm cores and then there are completely custom in house designs. A15, A53 etc. belong in the former category and Denver, A7, A7... in the latter.

So you are telling me A15 has nothing to do with Krait or Nvidia K1 or Apple A6? There is 0 connection? What does ARM even do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#64.2F32-bit_architecture
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So you are telling me A15 has nothing to do with Krait or Nvidia K1 or Apple A6? There is 0 connection? What does ARM even do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#64.2F32-bit_architecture
It's the same as AMD vs Intel chips. ARM is just an architecture.
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So you are telling me A15 has nothing to do with Krait or Nvidia K1 or Apple A6? There is 0 connection? What does ARM even do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#64.2F32-bit_architecture

ARM offers licences to the ISA and designs their own cores based on that ISA that licencees can use.

However those licencees can also design their own cores based on the ARM ISA. And that's what Apple, Nvidia etc. have done. Qualcomm's krait cores are also custom but as far as I know those are somewhat of a special case because they're quite similar architecturally as the off the shelf Arm cores (A15 in particular). Apple's and NV's cores really aren't anything like the off the shelf ARM cores, both are really wide for mobile cores, NV's core is also in-order (some power consumption advantages) and does some sort of strange software binary translation (this is where the rumors that it was originally designed for the x86 market are coming from).
 
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Am I the only one who ACTUALLY loves taking pictures with a tablet (in this case the iPad)? Am I going to take this to the race track? No, but why do people think it's weird in general to take pictures with one? I often find myself following a cooking recipe and change to the camera to snap a picture of my progress or sitting in my living room and find my dog doing something goofy and take a picture. As far as in public, even so like at the park. I do own a 5d that I take all of my other pictures with but I just feel like if I'm on a bus and I see something cool I don't see how that looks "unnatural" or weird to take a picture with the tablet. I mean sure it's big but um so is my 5d with same focal length lens. I see no difference with the argument "well its a tablet not a camera" because it's a phone for CALLING not a camera that has a phone.
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ARM offers licences to the ISA and designs their own cores based on that ISA that licencees can use.

However those licencees can also design their own cores based on the ARM ISA. And that's what Apple, Nvidia etc. have done. Qualcomm's krait cores are also custom but as far as I know those are somewhat of a special case because they're quite similar architecturally as the off the shelf Arm cores (A15 in particular). Apple's and NV's cores really aren't anything like the off the shelf ARM cores, both are really wide for mobile cores, NV's core is also in-order (some power consumption advantages) and does some sort of strange software binary translation (this is where the rumors that it was originally designed for the x86 market are coming from).

Yes but you can easily tell what instruction Apple i using.
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Am I the only one who ACTUALLY loves taking pictures with a tablet (in this case the iPad)? Am I going to take this to the race track? No, but why do people think it's weird in general to take pictures with one? I often find myself following a cooking recipe and change to the camera to snap a picture of my progress or sitting in my living room and find my dog doing something goofy and take a picture. As far as in public, even so like at the park. I do own a 5d that I take all of my other pictures with but I just feel like if I'm on a bus and I see something cool I don't see how that looks "unnatural" or weird to take a picture with the tablet. I mean sure it's big but um so is my 5d with same focal length lens. I see no difference with the argument "well its a tablet not a camera" because it's a phone for CALLING not a camera that has a phone.

My Dad loves using my iPad 3 to takes photos. He loves the big screen. Its age i think.
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so mobile...with no 4g

Huh? Even with 4G, the iPad still won't match the functionality of the Surface Pro and most iPads are sold with no 4G antenna but this doesn't stop it from being the de facto tablet. I find separate data plans cumbersome as there really is no reason why you can't tether you tab to your smartphone of which the Surface benefits too.
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The thing is we cant know for sure because it could just mean A8 can maintain higher clock longer then A7 to to thermals.

Also Apple does not really design CPU or the GPU unless they own PowerVR and ARM. Nvidia for example design their GPU but the CPU is based on ARM designs.

What are you babbling about? Apple designs its own CPUs. ARM is just licensing the use of its ISA.
 
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What are you babbling about? Apple designs its own CPUs. ARM is just licensing the use of its ISA.

Who designs the architecture?
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