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Hi everyone.

My specs:
i2500K
Asus P8Z77-V LX
8GB DDR3 1600mhz
Asus GTX 670 Direct II CU TOP
Plextor SSD 128GB
WD caviar black 1TB
FSP aurum AU-700
Windows 7

The main issue is related to mouse which is not working properly, it has a slight delay in response what makes FPS games unplayable. The tracking is inconsistent both in windows and all games. Usually when I plug the usb cord and install drivers it behaves outstanding. But if I turn off PC for several hours and then turn back on the mouse is sluggish, floaty and imprecise. The problem is surely not with the mouse because in 36 months (the period I have these troubles) I tried bunch of them: SS sensei, SS sensei RAW, SS Rival, microsoft, Roccat kone pure military and everything stays the same.

What I tried to do:
- Selective suspend is off, all powersaving features also off.
- Tried with and without mouse drivers
- Numerous times reinstalled windows (tried win 7 and 8)
- Tried to install OS to SSD and then HDD - no difference
- Applied MarkC acceleration fix
- Tried different mouse pads
- Flashed BIOS
- Plugged in usb 2 and 3 usb ports.
- Tried mice with the separate PCI USB card
- CHANGED MOTHERBOARD (so there is nothing wrong with the usb controller)
- Removed GTX and changed to Intel HD graphics (For 3 days the mouse acted like it should, but then the problem appeared again).
- Changed HDMI to DVI
- Tried another monitor
- Checked RAM with memtest (it's OK)

Last time I just installed windows and mobo drivers. No nvidia drivers, games and programms were installed. That evening the mouse behaved well. The next evening after PC startup the problem came back. It makes me think that it's not a software issue also.

Could it be faulty PSU or intel processor? What should I do? Need your help guys.
Edited by Mariachi - 10/22/14 at 12:14am
post #2 of 36
Read very carefully -> http://www.overclock.net/t/1433882/gaming-and-mouse-response-bios-optimization-guide-for-modern-pc-hardware-2013-r0ach-edition
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post #3 of 36
BIOS settings. Try disabling c1e. Go from there disabling power saving settings.
post #4 of 36
Thread Starter 
I did. Actually I haven't tried everything that was written there. HPET disabled and some other features. And I am pretty sceptic about it actually. I don't think the majority does all that but very few people have a similar problem.
post #5 of 36
My bad.

Do you have a sound card?

Try disabling the nvidia sound device in device manager.
post #6 of 36
If you've been through all of that, and you've formatted and reinstalled the OS with no improvement, then I'd start working through the big ticket items. Personally, if this was happening to me, I'd do the normal stuff like update the firmware on my motherboard. If that didn't help, then I'd go buy a new motherboard and install your components. It doesn't have to be super nice. Just something to eliminate the motherboard as the culprit. The USB controller on your motherboard might be struggling. It's not odd for them to degrade or fail as the motherboard ages. My first Z79 motherboard lost it's usb after a year of normal usage.

If the motherboard doesn't fix the issue, then you can keep it or return it and move on to the CPU, then the Memory. Yes, these two are easier to replace than the motherboard, but in a functional state they are less likely to cause problems with USB than the actual board.
post #7 of 36
What monitor are you using? Turn off any eventual dynamic contrast, color correction and select input and aspect ratio manually.
Hook up a CRT and see if it still lags.

Also, check USB.sys driver execution time with "LatencyMon"

Curiosity: what "microsoft" mice?
post #8 of 36
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by electro2u View Post


Do you have a sound card?

Try disabling the nvidia sound device in device manager.
I don't have separate sound card and didnt install nvidia audio driver. But it's not the cause as I removed GTX for a week. As I have written mouse was ok for 3 days but then the issue reoccured.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DivineDark View Post

If you've been through all of that, and you've formatted and reinstalled the OS with no improvement, then I'd start working through the big ticket items. Personally, if this was happening to me, I'd do the normal stuff like update the firmware on my motherboard. If that didn't help, then I'd go buy a new motherboard and install your components. It doesn't have to be super nice. Just something to eliminate the motherboard as the culprit. The USB controller on your motherboard might be struggling. It's not odd for them to degrade or fail as the motherboard ages. My first Z79 motherboard lost it's usb after a year of normal usage.

If the motherboard doesn't fix the issue, then you can keep it or return it and move on to the CPU, then the Memory. Yes, these two are easier to replace than the motherboard, but in a functional state they are less likely to cause problems with USB than the actual board.
Please read carefully the first message. I had gigabyte mobo, tried different bios versions, then I bought another mobo (Asus) and it's the same. So it's not faulty usb or smth.
Quote:
Originally Posted by the1freeMan View Post

What monitor are you using? Turn off any eventual dynamic contrast, color correction and select input and aspect ratio manually.
Hook up a CRT and see if it still lags.

Also, check USB.sys driver execution time with "LatencyMon"

Curiosity: what "microsoft" mice?
The thing is not in monitor because when just reconnect mouse (sometimes I have to do it several times) it acts wonderful and besides I tried another monitor, so this is not the cause.

And it was not microsoft mouse, it was some cheap genius optical.

Will see with the usb.sys.

Update
I don't have usb.sys. I got usbd.sys but I think it's the same. There is also a bunch of others.

USBPORT.sys
ISR - 44712
DPC - 132706
Highest execution (ms) - 0.184183
Total exec (ms) - 2400.950064

usbd.sys, usbstor.sys, usbhub.sys, usbehci.sys
0 everywhere

usbccgp.sys
ISR - 0
DPC - 146
Highest execution (ms) - 0.014799
Total exec (ms) - 0.796136
Edited by Mariachi - 10/22/14 at 12:58pm
post #9 of 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariachi View Post

I don't have separate sound card and didnt install nvidia audio driver. But it's not the cause as I removed GTX for a week. As I have written mouse was ok for 3 days but then the issue reoccured.
Please read carefully the first message. I had gigabyte mobo, tried different bios versions, then I bought another mobo (Asus) and it's the same. So it's not faulty usb or smth.
The thing is not in monitor because when just reconnect mouse (sometimes I have to do it several times) it acts wonderful and besides I tried another monitor, so this is not the cause.

And it was not microsoft mouse, it was some cheap genius optical.

Will see with the usb.sys.

I did carefully read your post. I was saying what I would do in your situation. You've literally eliminated every single possible thing that could cause an issue, outside of CPU and PSU, and neither of those things would be affected by your installation of your mouse drivers. So, they wouldn't change magically when you install them and then change back a couple hours later. Not a whole lot of hardware would degrade on software in that short of a time line, unless it was an addressing issue. If that was the problem, then it would be OS, application, or USB controller level stuff.

You said you mem tested your ram, but memtest doesn't matter when it comes to compatibility. Your mobo could still conflict with your particular ram. However, changing your mobo should really shrink any chance of a brand specific compatibility. Maybe chipset related compatibility?

Your PSU is well regarded and seems to be very consistent and more than capable of pushing the very very light system you have.

If you change your CPU, PSU, and RAM, there is literally nothing left in your machine that hasn't been swapped with a different piece. There should be NOTHING carry across from one of your systems to another. Different motherboard, replaced OS, stripped down applications, lack of driver software, different input devices, and different output devices.

If you eliminate all of those, then you got me. Maybe you're just destined to not play games without the torment of lag... I'm not sure, man. I've never seen a problem persist though an entire backbone change. So, I guess the CPU, RAM, and PSU would be next...
post #10 of 36
Seemed like the only thing not swapped out was the RAM... maybe this is Roach trolling on a duplicate account (I keed, I keed)

Have you changed your Windows Power profile to Performance?
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