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Hey, guys. This will be my first build since 2004. I've been rolling with an Athlon XP 3000+ for 11 years, and it's still very much relevant except that it can't play back YouTube videos at 720p or higher without the CPU temperature spiking up to 66 C and lagging the video, so it's time for a change. Plus, I want the increased speed of USB 3.0 and to take advantage of other new technologies. I've spent the last week planning the perfect new system, but I need help on a few things. A lot has changed since 2004. The new system will never be overclocked, so please answer with stock settings and speeds in mind.

The IGP on the motherboard is Radeon HD 3000. I know this GPU isn't capable of full HD video. It says the GPU has partial support for H.264, MPEG-2, and VC-1. What do they mean by partial support? Can I not play back 720p or 1080p YouTube videos without the CPU temperature spiking and the video lagging? I know it's missing something called UVD. Does that mean I can encode HD video but not decode it fast?

The CPU is an AMD FX-8370. It's the most powerful CPU the Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 motherboard supports. This is just a midstream business board, not for hardcore gaming. It uses 4+1 phase CPU design. Gigabyte flashed the BIOS to support the FX-8370. Is 4+1 phase CPU design strong enough to safely run the FX-8370 with clean power if not overclocked and running at stock speeds? Will the life of the CPU be cut short compared to a motherboard with 6, 8, or 10 phases? Or should I invest in a 990FX chipset motherboard, which are the motherboards these FX CPUs were really designed for? Can I run this CPU with the OEM heatsink and fan without the CPU overheating? I know the FX 9000 series you need liquid cooling, but what about the 8370 with fan cooling at stock speeds?

This motherboard was released in 2012, so how can it not support HT 3.1 from 2008?
Edited by vipejc - 10/25/14 at 11:30pm
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Since i see you appreciate longevity, instead of getting that combo, get FX-8320E and Gigabyte 970 UD3P, which is 8+2 phase and the best 970 motherboard in the market. You can overclock the 8320E to 8370 levels with just a bump of the multiplier. Dont think "overclock" will ruin the CPU. These are basically the same chips. Simply the 8320E is sold at lower stock frequency-voltage for the people who want lower TDP.

The 8320E is cheaper than the 8370, so with the money you can get the better motherboard.

The stock CPU cooler Of the 8370 will be barely adeguate at stock, but it will sound like a jet engine. The stock CPU cooler of the 8320E, if it's the same they put in 6300, it's a small toy and you should replace it to overclock to 4Ghz.

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo is a "budget" recommended cooler.

If you can't afford it, look for Cooler Master TX3 or Alpenfohn Sella (which i doubt you will find easily in USA, but in Europe you may).
Edited by Undervolter - 10/24/14 at 3:35am
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Instead of the TX-3 there is the TX-4 with 1 more heat pipe.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103182
Edited by Jaimelmiel - 10/24/14 at 2:02pm
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Guys, please stop recommending different hardware. I told you what hardware I want. Please just answer my questions. Thank you.
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Is 4+1 phase CPU design strong enough to safely run the FX-8370 with clean power if not overclocked and running at stock speeds? (GA-78LMT-USB3)
It should (that particular motherboard, GA-78LMT-USB3).

Will the life of the CPU be cut short compared to a motherboard with 6, 8, or 10 phases?
The life of the CPU? mmm, i would worry more about the life of the motherboard, with a 4+1 phase it will be a tight fit. Other things will come into play, like case cooling and cpu cooling. I personally wouldn't use a 8 core FX in a 4+1 motherboard without some proper vrm cooling, and cpu cooling, and i would only use it at stock settings. The GA-78LMT-USB3 should work, but seriously, watch the case cooling and vrm temps.

Can I run this CPU with the OEM heatsink and fan without the CPU overheating?
If by OEM you mean the stock cooler that comes with the cpu, yes you can use it. But like Undervolter said it will be barely adequate.

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Guys, please stop recommending different hardware. I told you what hardware I want. Please just answer my questions. Thank you.

They answered your questions. In fact you should really listen to Undervolters advice. The FX-8xxx chips are ALL the same chip, just with different stock multipliers and some voltage variations(the more expensive should be the better binned, but that will only matter to you if you are aiming for a good OC, like more than 4.6GHZ). If i were you i would buy a fx-8320/E and the Gigabyte 970 UD3P motherboard like Undervolter recommended you. It has a much better vrm.

And i also recommend you to change the stock cooler, the Hyper 212 evo is very nice for it's price, if you won't OC the hyper TX3 will be fine too. The TX4 that Jaimelmiel recommended will also work (just be mindful that the TX4 in a AMD motherboard must be mounted with the fan and heatsink in horizontal position, not vertical like most other tower coolers).

For me the FX8370 is overpriced for what it is. Buying a FX8320/E, which is way cheaper, and using the money for a better motherboard is a no brainer. The only thing the GA-78LMT-USB3 has that the 970 UD3P don't is ide support for older hard drives and optical drives. But you can just as well buy a pci/e ide controller and voila! problem solved.
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Is 4+1 phase CPU design strong enough to safely run the FX-8370 with clean power if not overclocked and running at stock speeds? (GA-78LMT-USB3)
It should (that particular motherboard, GA-78LMT-USB3).

Will the life of the CPU be cut short compared to a motherboard with 6, 8, or 10 phases?
The life of the CPU? mmm, i would worry more about the life of the motherboard, with a 4+1 phase it will be a tight fit. Other things will come into play, like case cooling and cpu cooling. I personally wouldn't use a 8 core FX in a 4+1 motherboard without some proper vrm cooling, and cpu cooling, and i would only use it at stock settings. The GA-78LMT-USB3 should work, but seriously, watch the case cooling and vrm temps.

Can I run this CPU with the OEM heatsink and fan without the CPU overheating?
If by OEM you mean the stock cooler that comes with the cpu, yes you can use it. But like Undervolter said it will be barely adequate.
They answered your questions. In fact you should really listen to Undervolters advice. The FX-8xxx chips are ALL the same chip, just with different stock multipliers and some voltage variations(the more expensive should be the better binned, but that will only matter to you if you are aiming for a good OC, like more than 4.6GHZ). If i were you i would buy a fx-8320/E and the Gigabyte 970 UD3P motherboard like Undervolter recommended you. It has a much better vrm.

And i also recommend you to change the stock cooler, the Hyper 212 evo is very nice for it's price, if you won't OC the hyper TX3 will be fine too. The TX4 that Jaimelmiel recommended will also work (just be mindful that the TX4 in a AMD motherboard must be mounted with the fan and heatsink in horizontal position, not vertical like most other tower coolers).

For me the FX8370 is overpriced for what it is. Buying a FX8320/E, which is way cheaper, and using the money for a better motherboard is a no brainer. The only thing the GA-78LMT-USB3 has that the 970 UD3P don't is ide support for older hard drives and optical drives. But you can just as well buy a pci/e ide controller and voila! problem solved.

Thanks very much for your help. And I know they were helpful, just not the kind of help I expected, but I'll definitely take the advice about getting a better third-party cooler. Could you answer this question:

The IGP on the motherboard is Radeon HD 3000. I know this GPU isn't capable of full HD video. It says the GPU has partial support for H.264, MPEG-2, and VC-1. What do they mean by partial support? Can I not play back 720p or 1080p YouTube videos without the CPU temperature spiking and the video lagging? I know it's missing something called UVD. Does that mean I can encode HD video but not decode it as fast?

Gigabyte told me this motherboard uses 140-160 W VRMs and they're high quality, so that should be fine for running the 125 W FX-8370, no? The motherboard uses a passive heatsink for cooling the VRMs. Not good enough?

I think the AMD OEM cooler will be fine. Seriously, AMD tests to make sure their coolers keep their CPUs from heat damage. LOL But of course third-party cooler makers are always better.

That's the main reason I need to go with the Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3: it's the only motherboard that supports PATA. And those IDE-to-SATA or vice versa controllers have lots of problems. I just want native PATA support, so looks like this is my motherboard. It looks like a great high-quality business and mid-range gaming board, and should keep me happy for a very long time.
Edited by vipejc - 10/25/14 at 11:30pm
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Thanks very much for your help. And I know they were helpful, just not the kind of help I expected, but I'll definitely take the advice about getting a better third-party cooler. Could you answer this question:

The IGP on the motherboard is Radeon HD 3000. I know this GPU isn't capable of full HD video. It says the GPU has partial support for H.264, MPEG-2, and VC-1. What do they mean by partial support? Can I not play back 720p or 1080p YouTube videos without the CPU temperature spiking and the video lagging? I know it's missing something called UVD. Does that mean I can encode HD video but not decode it as fast?

Gigabyte told me this motherboard uses 140-160 W VRMs and they're high quality, so that should be fine for running the 125 W FX-8370, no? The motherboard uses a passive heatsink for cooling the VRMs. Not good enough?

I think the AMD OEM cooler will be fine. Seriously, AMD tests to make sure their coolers keep their CPUs from heat damage. LOL But of course third-party cooler makers are always better.

That's the main reason I need to go with the Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3: it's the only motherboard that supports PATA. And those IDE-to-SATA or vice versa controllers have lots of problems. I just want native PATA support, so looks like this is my motherboard. It looks like a great high-quality business and mid-range gaming board, and should keep me happy for a very long time.


Dont make a mistake like i did , i own FX 8320 running at stock and Gigabyte motherboard with 4+1 phase power and i suspect my CPU is Throtling ( you can tell some performance difference on other machines with same cpu but different motherboard).So if you are getting FX 8370 , FX 8350, FX 8320 i suggest you buying proper motherboard( doesnt have to be top of the line one ).

As for cooler AMD stock cooler performs very well on cooling your machine , BUT the noise it makes when your CPU is at full load is horrible , so sooner or later you WILL want to switch aftermarket cooler just to decrease the noise.
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The IGP on the motherboard is Radeon HD 3000. I know this GPU isn't capable of full HD video. It says the GPU has partial support for H.264, MPEG-2, and VC-1. What do they mean by partial support? Can I not play back 720p or 1080p YouTube videos without the CPU temperature spiking and the video lagging? I know it's missing something called UVD. Does that mean I can encode HD video but not decode it as fast?

The 760g allows for playback, but not for hardware acceleration of said formats. Basically, no hardware acceleration for HD formats. Back to 2007 in terms of onboard graphics. You WILL be able to play HD content, BUT, all the weight will fall on the shoulders of your CPU. Encoding has nothing to do with that, it's with the CPU that you encode. Or with GPU, but not with crap onboard like that. You will be able to encode with your CPU, as fast as your CPU and settings allow.

For UVD, let me google it for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Video_Decoder
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Gigabyte told me this motherboard uses 140-160 W VRMs and they're high quality, so that should be fine for running the 125 W FX-8370, no? The motherboard uses a passive heatsink for cooling the VRMs. Not good enough?

At stock you should be find, preferably undervolted. But, understand, that there is a reason why 6+2 and 8+2 motherboards exist. 4+1 is sweating with such higher power CPU. Imagine the difference between 4 and 8 energy lanes that must distribute energy to a point. The 4 lanes will be under much more stress than the 8, because they will be doing double the work. So, it's not a matter of if the board can do it, but of how comfortably can do it, considering you like "long term solutions". For example, Gigabyte, like all manufacturers, has limited warranty. An 8+2 board is much more likely to outlive an 4+1 board and make no mistake, it's not a gaming board. It's an office/HTPC board. The best in its category, but not a gamer's board.
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I think the AMD OEM cooler will be fine. Seriously, AMD tests to make sure their coolers keep their CPUs from heat damage. LOL But of course third-party cooler makers are always better.

AS long as you don't overclock, it will suffice, but with socket temperatures going > 60C in full load (like video encoding). Again, this isn't much of concern to the chip, as it is for the motherboard. If you put your finger to something hot 60C, you will get a nice burn. The motherboard will have to live with it. The cooler your keep components, the longer they live. And with the stock cooler, at full speed, you will have a LOT of noise. A LOT. Most people can't tolerate for long the jet take off noise of the stock AMD cooler. THe reason i suggested CoolerMaster TX3 or Alpenfohn Sella, is that they are both MUCH quieter, very cheap solutions and even allow a mild overclock and they can be fitted to blow air towards the rear of the board/case (most modern CPU coolers are "stuck" in AMD sockets with having to blow towards the top of the case, which can be annoying even if the case has top exchaust). The Scythe Katana 3 in OEM version (cheaper than retail package) is also like this, but a tad less good in performance.

Good luck.
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Dont make a mistake like i did , i own FX 8320 running at stock and Gigabyte motherboard with 4+1 phase power and i suspect my CPU is Throtling ( you can tell some performance difference on other machines with same cpu but different motherboard).So if you are getting FX 8370 , FX 8350, FX 8320 i suggest you buying proper motherboard( doesnt have to be top of the line one ).

As for cooler AMD stock cooler performs very well on cooling your machine , BUT the noise it makes when your CPU is at full load is horrible , so sooner or later you WILL want to switch aftermarket cooler just to decrease the noise.

What Gigabyte motherboard? What do you mean your CPU is throttling?
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Oh, if you insist on that motherboard and you want to have decent hardware acceleration for HD, get an HD5450. They are still on sale and as cheap as it gets. For video decoding of any current format, you will have no problem and you will lift the burden for a good bit from the CPU. If you google around, some guys with 760g, complain that they have frame drops in complex HD formats. So, get the HD5450 and you can thank me later. Buy a PASSIVE one, they don't get overly hot, just don't buy one with "Hypermemory". Make sure you get a non Hypermemory version. I can recommend you the MSI 5450 1600Mhz DDR3 (avoid the Sapphires, they usually have Hypermemory and DDR2 RAM) or the XFX 5450 at 1333Mhz. But you need to verify the EXACT model at the manufacturer's website, because they sell a gazillion of variants, with different speeds, Hypermemory etc. The MSI and XFX have the best passive heatsinks too and since they have no fans, they will last you a long time.

Mind you, these are cards not made for gaming, unless they are old games and in low settings and/or resolution. But since you worry about 760g, i gather you intend using the onboard graphics, so i guess you won't be gaming (you can't game with the HD3000). So, the 5450 (or better 6450 or R5 230 if you can afford it), are better solutions. Here you can find new HD5450 for 22-25 euros.
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