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post #141 of 170
Here's what I can tell you

On 1920x1080 800 dpi misses less 'angles' than 400 dpi. 400 can miss 3-6 on minor movements while 800 consistently only misses 1-3~ (sometimes none if moved slow enough - but too slow for real usage) - may vary with your setup??

In a real world test I can't see much difference between 800 / 400, but the most minor thing I see is that 800 is slightly more responsive in a 1920x1080 resolution (maybe it's different for lower resolutions??) As for sensitivity I cannot recommend using 800 / 1.0 or 400 / 2.0. I think that's a personal preference entirely and depends on how you hold a mouse, if you aim with your wrist or arm and how much power you put into it plus your mousepad surfaces friction whether it's low or high.

I just tested for roughly 30 mins - 60 mins raising to the "1:1" ratio and despite it feeling fine I was unable to aim with it at the same precision I can use a lower sensitivity - mainly because I had to focus harder to land the same shot or if I wanted "precision" I had to grip the mouse tightly which causes fatigue and discomfort. At a lower sensitivity I can gently hold the mouse and use powerful/fast arm movements to reach the same spot without putting fatigue into my hand. I'm not sure what would change if I used the higher ones for a longer period of time (1-2 years) But I've been using my current for quite a while.

So all in all it comes down to - preference.
post #142 of 170
Let's say I played Quake for 10 years at 640x480 using 2 sensitivity and 400 dpi. If I'm now using 1280x960, shouldn't I raise my dpi to 800 and use 1 sensitivity to achieve the same feeling as I did with 640/400/2 ??
post #143 of 170
Resolution and DPI are completely independent values. There's really no math behind it.. its just something you have to find for yourself and adjust to.


800/1 = 400/2" is only true for providing the distance in a circle. They're still separate values in regards to how the engine works.
post #144 of 170
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Originally Posted by L4dd View Post

The G303 is accurate for me with 2,000 CPI and 1 in-game sensitivity using raw input.

sens 5 for 400dpi wth, 2high
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post #145 of 170
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sens 5 for 400dpi wth, 2high

I guess you mean that as "too high of a sens to control" because in-game sens of 1 is low enough to now have troubles moving the crosshair pixel by pixel. As said before, cpi is irrelevant to that.
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post #146 of 170
Some mice work better at given dpi. And that's about it. You adjust game sensitivity to that.

Some games are restricted in how far mouse sensitivity can go.

Some gamers don't want to change old habits, and that's fine. So they stick to a known CPI value (which is just a unit used for consistency).

Mice have native CPI. It's a combination of the sensor array, and the lens (and hopefully not lift-off distance). Higher DPI settings are sub-pixel, signal processing inferences.

Personally, the low CPI vs high CPI is overblown. Use the mouse at what settings you and it are comfortable with, and at what maximum tracking speed it can achieve. You can argue that the mouse should only be used at native DPI of the sensor + lens. But then we're talking really fringe stuff. a few milliseconds processing might be saved, and seriously who'd care. Might as well blame the monitor.

TwinEye works differently than the regular image correlation. Laser Doppler Technology, quite interesting.

A good article on mouse tech.

http://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-mouse-myths-busted/
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post #147 of 170
On my G303 using 800 dpi 1.73 sens instead of 450 3.1 sens definitely feels more smoother in game for some reason. have been consistently performing well after this change. Im using 1024X768 4:3 black bars in csgo.
Edited by fartman - 1/5/16 at 4:24am
post #148 of 170
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Originally Posted by IlIkeJuice View Post

Some mice work better at given dpi. And that's about it. You adjust game sensitivity to that.

Some games are restricted in how far mouse sensitivity can go.

Some gamers don't want to change old habits, and that's fine. So they stick to a known CPI value (which is just a unit used for consistency).

Mice have native CPI. It's a combination of the sensor array, and the lens (and hopefully not lift-off distance). Higher DPI settings are sub-pixel, signal processing inferences.

Personally, the low CPI vs high CPI is overblown. Use the mouse at what settings you and it are comfortable with, and at what maximum tracking speed it can achieve. You can argue that the mouse should only be used at native DPI of the sensor + lens. But then we're talking really fringe stuff. a few milliseconds processing might be saved, and seriously who'd care. Might as well blame the monitor.

TwinEye works differently than the regular image correlation. Laser Doppler Technology, quite interesting.

A good article on mouse tech.

http://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-mouse-myths-busted/




Did you actually read the article? That article still says optical is better.
post #149 of 170
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Originally Posted by Atavax View Post

you basically want both low, so it becomes a balance. You definitely don't want a CPI above 3,000 or a sensitivity in CS GO above 4 (assuming you're familiar with CSGO and can use it as a reference, TF2 uses the same sensitivity and is f2p if you're not). But you don't need to go super low like 400 CPI or a sensitivity below 1 in CS GO either. If you can have a CPI of 800 and a CSGO sensitivity below 3, to get your desired sensitivity per 360, i would do that. 800 just seems like its appropriate for desktop use at 1080p, 1440p, or even 4k, should be high enough to get a low enough in game sensitivity for most serious FPS players and should be low enough to not suffer from the inaccuracy associated with high CPI. Plus 800 is a multiple of 400; and should be available on any modern mouse you get that is not super cheap.

Why u shouldn't go below 1 sensitivity in CS GO? I'm currently using a G303 @800 dpi and in game sense of 0.8 and it works for me..
post #150 of 170
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Originally Posted by darkfirebg View Post

Why u shouldn't go below 1 sensitivity in CS GO? I'm currently using a G303 @800 dpi and in game sense of 0.8 and it works for me..

There's no reason you shouldn't go below 1. I use 800 DPI and 0.65 because I prefer 800 DPI in windows.
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