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post #1 of 9
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Hi guys, I'm hoping to resolve a long running issue regarding my mice.

I will briefly explain the problem, and then details or "points" will follow. But basically I started PC gaming around 2 years
ago at which point mouse sensitivities felt fine I had no problems, around 6-7 months of PC gaming something felt odd straight away.
At the time I started to feel my aim was off and I wasn't sure why at all.

At the start my first assumption was it has to be the mouse (R.A.T 3), so I thought well maybe it's broke so I ended up buying a
Razer Deathadder 2013 of which still didn't feel right again the same thing happened.

So after trying those 2 mouse another 3 mice were tried tested and this really started to put me off, I also have 3 different mouse pads (not a surface issue).

Now the problem is actually making simple movements is very difficult, before when everything felt fine I didn't even have to think about aiming it was natural; now it is a case of correcting and really concentrating on it.

Here are some points below which may give some kind of insight hopefully:





I have Own/owned 4-6 gaming mice both optical and laser.

3 different mouse pads, 2 cloth and one plastic based.

Windows 7 updates alter mouse sensitivity slightly(strange).

at first it all felt fine, then something altered (maybe I altered a setting?)

I have changed out every component in my pc (except for HDD), problem existed with old hardware anyway.

Mouse movements don't feel grippy, don't feel anywhere near as responsive as they should be.

when I compare my mouse "aim" to ANYONE else, I mean EVERYONE it looks completely different.
I don't just mean how they aim but how the mouse movements look responsive and are accurate.

R.A.T 3 with 900 DPI (with drivers installed)

Started PC Gaming around 2 years ago, Reinstalled Windows 7 Twice (no fix)

I tried Windows 8.1, it felt better (strange) however Windows 8.1 had it's own issues with mice (glitches),
making the mouse move on it's own etc.






Razer Deathadder 2013,
Gigabyte M6900,
Perixx MX2000IIB
Anker 8200DPI,

Mouse Pads:
Razer Sphinx,
Razer Goliathus,
MadCatz GLIDE

FX8350 4GHZ No OC
G-SKILL 8GB DDR3 1600MHZ
HD 7850 2GB GDDR5 OC Edition
CORSAIR 650W PSU




Any kind of solution will extremely helpful, even if you don't believe it will help.


I am willing to give a free game (7 Days To Die) for the troubles, if it isn't against the rules to do so of course.
Either way any help whatsoever will be appreciated a LOT.

Many thanks,

Luke
post #2 of 9
Did you alter your Pointer speed\precision values in Windows 7? That's were you need to look first.
post #3 of 9
Ehh...your issue is too vague and, for lack of a better term, subjective to actually troubleshoot. As I was reading my first thought was to suggest re-installing your OS, which you've done. Outside of a USB issue or some other weird problem with one of your components there's really nothing left to suggest. You're basically asking "my aim is off, what's the hardware/software issue causing this?" and as you've apparently swapped out most your components and peripherals there's not much left to suggest in regard to a fix without more clarity.
post #4 of 9
Really hard to say, could be a bunch of placebo effect going on too...
post #5 of 9
Things that mess up mouse control :
- Latency.
- Acceleration.
- Drift.
- Jitter.

Latency is probably the worse. Input lag can be generated by a number of factors. USB polling rate (usually 500Hz, some mouse poll at 1000Hz), Driver post processing and smoothing, display refresh rate (some 4K monitors have truly terrible latency).

You can measure acceleration very simply by flicking the mouse towards the right, and slowly moving the mouse back to where it started, see if you come back to the same position.

You can measure various mouse properties with Enotus mouse test.

Unless you can measure and quantify a latency problem, it's not gonna be easy to track down. If you have a high speed camera (mobile phone cameras can be quite speedy, see if yours can do a good slow-mo effect), you can try and capture your mouse movement, and the cursor movement on screen, see if there is something that really jumps out.
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post #6 of 9
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Hi guys, thanks very much for the replies I really appreciate it.

So hopefully this next set of info will hopefully guide us in the right direction.

Today I decided I would boot into safe mode, and instantly the mouse felt a LOT better. it was more responsive and when I changed my DPI (ranges from 400-3600) usually at the current state 3600 is way too high. but even in safe mode it was easily controllable.

Unfortunately I couldn't try any games on Steam due to lack of DirectX, I did try a browser game based on aim and it felt great. I tried it in the current state in comparison and it feels much worse.

So is there anything I could do to emulate the feel of safe mode onto my normal Windows 7?

What do you think could be causing it to work fine in safe mode and not Windows 7 (normal)?

Many thanks once again,

Luke
post #7 of 9
Thread Starter 
I have continously thought maybe it's placebo, but when I look at anyone elses mouse "behaviour" it all looks the same as everyone elses. But with me it feels and looks a lot different, also how I only had this problem after a while when I started PC gaming it felt absolutely fine.
post #8 of 9
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@torongo I have altered many times and nothing has worked in that sense
post #9 of 9
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@Maximillion yeah as this issue seems like 1 in a million, I have found it very hard to get my message across. The only other way would be for someone to physically try it out for themselves, but that's not an option.
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