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www.formfactors.org for getting motherboard dimensions. Getting PCIe dimensions is a bit tricky because you need PCI-SIG membership in order to access those documents and it's quite expensive. I'd recommend just buying the tray from somebody like CaseLabs or Mountainmods or some other group.

 

Look at cases like the Steam Machine Prototype from Valve, NCASE M1, etc. for ideas on construction and layout.

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www.formfactors.org for getting motherboard dimensions. Getting PCIe dimensions is a bit tricky because you need PCI-SIG membership in order to access those documents and it's quite expensive. I'd recommend just buying the tray from somebody like CaseLabs or Mountainmods or some other group.

Look at cases like the Steam Machine Prototype from Valve, NCASE M1, etc. for ideas on construction and layout.

From http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/307917-30-case-shield-dimensions

If this is what you are meaning. Ofc just buying a 10$ case and taking the back panel part from it might be alternative. Some stores also sell these, like above mentioned CaseLabs' for example.
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just a quick hello. i'm still working on this idea. i started learning about Sketchup and am reading a short book on it. i've never used CAD software before so it's very slow going. i actually find it so interesting i'm thinking about learning it well enough that i can put it on my resume. like take an online class or college class on it or something. anyway, things are going slow because i was only reading on my days off. it's really going too slow for me actually. so i've decided i'm going a read and work on it a little each day.

everyone tells me to start with acrylic, but all my tools and what little experience i have are with working with metal. any recommendations on a metal that is inexpensive and easy to work with*? i think that's going to be the theme of my first prototype. i'm torn between just making the whole thing out of aluminium or making the internals out of sheet metal, and only the outside face out of aluminum.

btw, once i get design made in sketchup i'll post it online so all you people can tell me everything i'm doing wrong before i start building it haha.

* like, what thickness? i see that people seem to like 1mm or 1.5mm aluminum, what about plain steel sheet metal? i would think to start with, thin metal would be better.
Edited by Tail Red - 12/4/14 at 5:06am
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0.6 mm steel seems to be common in lighter steel folded cases, although you probably will want to use some kind of additional reinforcing on flat surfaces as it probably has significant flex.

CAD is nice. Easiest way of actually learning it is probably by experimenting around. What I would suggest is doing a small "cheat sheet" with common keyboard shortcuts, i.e., s for stretch, c for circle, cp for copy, etc ... and then practice a little with mouse in one hand and other hand on keyboard. Once you have that at hand it's sensible to figure out layers, multiviews, perhaps working with solids if you so desire, snap and moving the coordinate system.

CAD is best if you are using both mouse and keyboard simultaneously. It speeds up stuff a lot.
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so, as i've never built a case before i'm leaning towards starting with a simpler case. it has some features that i want in a small form factor case, but to keep my first case simpler, my first one will be larger that i would like. some company probably already makes one just like it but i feel like i need to get started.

i'm starting with building one that:

1) doesn't have visible fan inlets and outlets.
2) is as shallow and thin as can house a full size gpu. it's ok if it's tall.

here are the first draft pics.



outside will be made of 1,2, or 4 pieces of aluminum that make up the front, top, back, and bottom sides. i'll put 8 small triangles inside in the corners and screw them in place with Allen screws. the right side will have one aluminum piece flush with the exterior that will be bolted to the triangles as well. the left side will be made of acrylic and secured in the same way. if i can use find a way to make it so the side panels hold and pop off without having to use screws i'll try that.
Edited by Tail Red - 1/15/15 at 8:21pm
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case is currenlty 7" wide, 15" tall, and 12" deep.



two 140mm fans feed air into the bottom and right at the gpu. a 120mm fan and psu fan exhaust out the back.



5.25 drive and psu are currently at different levels to leave room for wires. i could make the case shorter if i was willing to use a SFF power supply or a short 5.25 drive. it's a strong possibility, but i'm trying to use standard components whenever i can.



space to the right of the HDD and in front of the motherboard is for wiring. they will be covered by the back panel.
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currently, the case has room for:

standard power supply
standard 5.25" drive
four 3.5" HDD and two 2.5" drives
a 12" long dual slot gpu
a mini-itx motherboard
a cpu cooler with a 120mm fan that can blow air straight at the 120mm exhaust fan.
two 140mm intake fans and a 120mm exhaust + the power supply fan.b
switches and usb ports will be on the front below the 5.25" drive bay. i'll probably just put a short 3.5 external drive bay there so i can make the switches/ports a modular design that can be swaped out if i change my mind.

and like i said. if i find a way to make the psu and 5.25 drive be at the same level i should be able to make the case be 7x12x13.25 rather than 7x12x15.
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while i'm at it. i'm trying to figure out what the minimum height that is needed for common full size gpu's. like, how thin could you make a tower and expect a full size gpu to fit? most manufactures list the length of there cards, but there doesn't seem to be much of a standard when it comes to height. i can't tell if they are measuring from the bottom of the bracket to the top of the card or what.




the three things i'm trying to understand is:

1) just how thin can a case be and still leave room for a full height card. could a case be 5.5" or even 5.25" thin and still leave enough room for both the height of a motherboard with offsets and a full height gpu? or does it HAVE to be 6" or 7" tall?

2) in the picture above you can see that i've made a ledge under the end of the card. how tall could that ledge be and still clear common gpus? maybe 0.25"? perhaps 0.5" if you take the height added by motherboard and offset into account? i've seen some manufactures put a SSD drive under a ledge right under that raised spot on the bottom end of a gpu.

3) how short can you go on gpu length and still expect a high performance card like the nvidia 970/980 or a 290x to fit? i see cards of varying length. but they commonly seem to be 11-12 inches long. sometimes even 13+! but the ones 10 inches or less seem to run hot in reviews. am i wrong?
Edited by Tail Red - 1/15/15 at 9:18pm
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Official PCIe standard allows cards with legth up to ~312 mm if I remeber correct. However, some manufacturers go beyond the standard, especially with dual GPU cards. I do not remember any cards above ~350mm from top of my head. There has been couple at ~330 mm I believe (so 350mm would heave enough space even for PCIe connectors if theyr are on the back side of the card).

As far as top and bottom panels go - perhaps it would be easier to use threaded corners or cubes instead of bends on the panels. Bends do add stiffness to the panels ofc but I have just found out that they are damn expensive - a recent price quote I got from a metal shop was taking about 8 eur per 90 degree bend of 2mm thick aluminium - disregard this if you are going to do the bends yourself.

Edit - do note that the back bracket actually goes a fair bit below the motherboard level. About 20 mm or so under the motherboard. I planning using 15 mm motherboard standoffs and still had to plan a little holes into the motherboard try for the bottom parts of retention brackets.
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