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the 980 was aiming for the incoming gpu.if they were doing that comparison they will have a hard time catching the incoming carribean/pirate islands gpus

You dont need to have all the video cards of the present to be unbiased
if it comes at feb can be mostly a gpu on 28nm

Get a r9 290 by now and upgrade when the gpu node is 20 or 14nm .the gpu incoming could be at 450usd

Also the 200 series support DX12
http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/amd-demonstrates-2014mar20.aspx

Ahh so it seems the 200 series does fully support DX12, odd that people were saying only the 970/980 currently do, thats annoying, read it on various forums, thanks for the link confirming DX12 support.
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Ahh so it seems the 200 series does fully support DX12, odd that people were saying only the 970/980 currently do, thats annoying, read it on various forums, thanks for the link confirming DX12 support.

Unless the DX12 spec is finalized, I don't understand how any existing GPU (either Nvidia or AMD) can fully support all DX12 features in the hardware. Anyone know the answer to this?
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Unless the DX12 spec is finalized, I don't understand how any existing GPU (either Nvidia or AMD) can fully support all DX12 features in the hardware. Anyone know the answer to this?

Not sure but I am guessing it works with current hardware and doesn't need anything new or special?
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

the 980 was aiming for the incoming gpu.if they were doing that comparison they will have a hard time catching the incoming carribean/pirate islands gpus

You dont need to have all the video cards of the present to be unbiased
if it comes at feb can be mostly a gpu on 28nm


Get a r9 290 by now and upgrade when the gpu node is 20 or 14nm .the gpu incoming could be at 450usd

Also the 200 series support DX12
http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/amd-demonstrates-2014mar20.aspx

What are you talking about? Nvidia GM204 GTX 980 was released to to take the crown as "the fastest GPU in the world" (Single GPU not counting the R9 295X2 and Titan-Z) which at the time depending on the application an AMD R9 290X and GTX 780Ti, which it rightfully has. Besides how can you aim for an incoming GPU, that's like showing all your cards at a poker table... rolleyes.gif

However you're correct you can also be un-biased without owning the current GPU's, imagine how my statement would have come across if you only knew I owned a GTX 780Ti in reference to that specific Toms Hardware benchmark? I would have just been a defending "Fan boy"...

Bottom line I enjoy both AMD and Nvidia and look forward to their competition to innovate new tech for us to reap.
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Unless the DX12 spec is finalized, I don't understand how any existing GPU (either Nvidia or AMD) can fully support all DX12 features in the hardware. Anyone know the answer to this?
Emulate around the things that you haven't build in to your gpu yet. Nvidia has made kepler compliant by using some software also with almost everything in place worst case you'll lose some performance over having it build in.
post #366 of 468
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Unless the DX12 spec is finalized, I don't understand how any existing GPU (either Nvidia or AMD) can fully support all DX12 features in the hardware. Anyone know the answer to this?

Because DirectX 12, AFAICT, will not be introducing any new features in the traditional way (where hardware has to "catch up").

The whole point of a low level approach is to fully expose the GPU capabilities, that way devs gain complete control of the GPU so they can try new stuff out/innovate the way they want.
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So its similar to Mantle then, just more accepted(Or will be).
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So its similar to Mantle then, just more accepted(Or will be).
Exactly Mantle will be phased out in 1,5 years in favor of DX12 it is a win for amd since they can add high perf gpus to lower performance (thouh by that time an efficient strong arch and node should used for their low power parts. (by that time the need may be gone)
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Exactly Mantle will be phased out in 1,5 years in favor of DX12 it is a win for amd since they can add high perf gpus to lower performance (thouh by that time an efficient strong arch and node should used for their low power parts. (by that time the need may be gone)

AMD is actually saying developers are telling them to keep Mantle going even after DirectX 12 launches, most likely as a way to keep Microsoft at its toes when it comes to innovating DirectX.
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AMD is actually saying developers are telling them to keep Mantle going even after DirectX 12 launches, most likely as a way to keep Microsoft at its toes when it comes to innovating DirectX.

Mantle will have zero impact on DX, any version, unless it comes up to even a level of adoption close to DX. Which in reality is very unlikely, and that is pretty unfortunate as real competition is always a good thing.
    
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