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I don't rate HWBot as I think it is too out of date.

They use ancient software that favours LN2 on the CPUs and often the GPUs are just a side show.

I don't like all the tweaks they allow either as this almost defeats the point of a benchmark.

I think they should use more benches that run at very high resolutions and settings for example Heaven 4 run maxed out @4K would be good. Lets face it if they can afford LN2 gear they can afford a 4K monitor.

It would also be nice to see them use more modern games with built in benchmarks as well because this is what most people use their PCs for.

Even the look of the HWBot site looks very out of date, untidy and over complicated, it needs some serious work doing on it.

I am sorry if hardly anyone agrees with me but the above is just my opinion.smile.gif

it's kind of hard for them to kill old benches. Imagine if you spend years working on a bench and getting up the ranks and then they pull points. It's definitely a balancing act.

Also I kind of like the older benches. It gives you something to work toward and learn the ins and outs. If everything was as easy to run as the newer 3dmarks it would be a little boring. They are pretty much click and run. I love them but I got a lot of satisfaction out of a 3dmark 01 score because it takes a little work to get running. it's fun.
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it's kind of hard for them to kill old benches. Imagine if you spend years working on a bench and getting up the ranks and then they pull points. It's definitely a balancing act.

Also I kind of like the older benches. It gives you something to work toward and learn the ins and outs. If everything was as easy to run as the newer 3dmarks it would be a little boring. They are pretty much click and run. I love them but I got a lot of satisfaction out of a 3dmark 01 score because it takes a little work to get running. it's fun.

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I really want to run 2001se again sometime - it was the first bench I bough back in the day (then "upgraded" and got 2003 plus 2005 at the same time thanks to an upgrading special they had going. Was awesome because i got all three for slightly less than 2005 by itself!)
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My two cents:

I agree with absolutely everybody who said that the people with the most $$$ win, as well as the opinion that the focus of the site should be enthusiast overclockers and hobbyists, NOT professional competitions with a bunch of sponsored overclockers.

I don't think I really need to say anything else.
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*one way to move up -> Compete..not complain.

 

 

 "Sponsored Overclocker" is a broad statement. Many enthusiast and hobbyist OC'ers are in fact sponsored.. more so than the Hwbot rankings would lead you to believe. Simply attending a live event, many times means that you do in fact receive free hardware or samples from vendors. One does not need to be in the upper rankings of the Pro league to accomplish this.

 

 If you have the skills and the cooling methods required to be competitive..you should compete as much as possible. Competition points cannot be taken away from your bot profile.

 

OC Sports and HWBOT do have regular 'Rookie Rumbles' as well as other forms of comp, like 'challenges' etc. that do not require special hardware made from unobtanium or enormously deep pockets to be competitive in. Ultimately you have to compete where your competitive at...  and you and only you are responsible for moving yourself into a different category. Its a common misconception that just because you have expensive hardware means you get good results. Ive placed well ahead, plenty of folks with much larger hardware stashes than my own. Having "good" hardware is more important than having a 'lot' or having 'expensive' hardware. 

 

1. be selective in your purchases.. realize value in what your buying, and consider how it will further your OC profile

2. know your benchmarks.. pick your battles. Some are easier to master than others

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*one way to move up -> Compete..not complain.


 "Sponsored Overclocker" is a broad statement. Many enthusiast and hobbyist OC'ers are in fact sponsored.. more so than the Hwbot rankings would lead you to believe. Simply attending a live event, many times means that you do in fact receive free hardware or samples from vendors. One does not need to be in the upper rankings of the Pro league to accomplish this.

 If you have the skills and the cooling methods required to be competitive..you should compete as much as possible. Competition points cannot be taken away from your bot profile.

OC Sports and HWBOT do have regular 'Rookie Rumbles' as well as other forms of comp, like 'challenges' etc. that do not require special hardware made from unobtanium or enormously deep pockets to be competitive in. Ultimately you have to compete where your competitive at...  and you and only you are responsible for moving yourself into a different category. Its a common misconception that just because you have expensive hardware means you get good results. Ive placed well ahead, plenty of folks with much larger hardware stashes than my own. Having "good" hardware is more important than having a 'lot' or having 'expensive' hardware. 

1. be selective in your purchases.. realize value in what your buying, and consider how it will further your OC profile
2. know your benchmarks.. pick your battles. Some are easier to master than others

I really can't argue with this - It's quite true and yes picking your battles is important.

Think for a sec - There is a strategy to it all and if you really take time to think, you'll begin to see how it works AND how it could work for you. I've beaten results using sub-zero cooling with my setup running on H2O before and I'm not the only one that's done it. The pieces you get makes a big difference at times along with simple luck with what you get.

Tweaking skill can offset a good deal of "Luck" and the only way to really be competitive is.... Compete.

However...... The guys with lots of $$ to bin chips vs us that has to go for it with a one-shot purchase have a clear advantage in most cases. This is something to be realized going in and that's just the way it is.
The guys that get their stuff via a sponsorship also have an advantage BUT remember these guys had to start somewhere themselves and had to pay to play before the sponsorships came along for them. They competed and proved what they could do, notice was taken and it went from there.

If they did it, so can you IF you really apply yourself to the art and prove it. wink.gif
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*one way to move up -> Compete..not complain.


 "Sponsored Overclocker" is a broad statement. Many enthusiast and hobbyist OC'ers are in fact sponsored.. more so than the Hwbot rankings would lead you to believe. Simply attending a live event, many times means that you do in fact receive free hardware or samples from vendors. One does not need to be in the upper rankings of the Pro league to accomplish this.

 If you have the skills and the cooling methods required to be competitive..you should compete as much as possible. Competition points cannot be taken away from your bot profile.

OC Sports and HWBOT do have regular 'Rookie Rumbles' as well as other forms of comp, like 'challenges' etc. that do not require special hardware made from unobtanium or enormously deep pockets to be competitive in. Ultimately you have to compete where your competitive at...  and you and only you are responsible for moving yourself into a different category. Its a common misconception that just because you have expensive hardware means you get good results. Ive placed well ahead, plenty of folks with much larger hardware stashes than my own. Having "good" hardware is more important than having a 'lot' or having 'expensive' hardware. 

1. be selective in your purchases.. realize value in what your buying, and consider how it will further your OC profile
2. know your benchmarks.. pick your battles. Some are easier to master than others

Free hardware? Sounds fun. They should do more events in Edmonton then! tongue.gif Sorry, I couldn't resist saying it.

I'm looking forward to the changes that will be brought to the OC eSports, especially if they actually do broaden what can go into each division for hardware. That was my biggest complaint earlier on.

Selective in pruchases... A part of me still can't quite believe that I'm actually planning on building up a dedicated benching rig this year. I still haven't fully decided exactly what's going to be in it, but odds are it will probably be biased towards one of the OC eSports divisions (Div I or III using the old hardware categories). I really wish they would let you compete in say two categories, but if it's only one that can be chosen I'm sure I'll debate back and forth about which one to go for, then look into picking up hardware for both anyways simply because I want to give a shot at a less expensive rig such as the G3258/750Ti pairing. Sure would be a lot cheaper to have go up in smoke - at least in comparison to a 4790K/980 combination.

As for benchmarks... I think that's why, at least for now, I seem to focus primarily on Catzilla. It isn't necessarily because there are fewer people running it, I think it's mainly because I do enjoy it and seeing how each little tweak affects the overall score.
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*one way to move up -> Compete..not complain.


I like this ^^
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*one way to move up -> Compete..not complain.


I like this ^^
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*one way to move up -> Compete..not complain.


I like this ^^

I agree ^_^.... compete, have fun and try to beat your own PB's and dont care about ranking against others thumb.gif
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Going to be chaep
(16 items)
 
Wife's Rig
(12 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-3770k Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP5 TH MSI GTX460 G.Skill TridentX 2400 2 x 4GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Plextor M5p 128GB 2 x WD 500GB Blues LG Prolimatech Megahalems Rev C 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Arctic F12 CO PWM x 2 Push/Pull Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate LG IPS235V Corsair AX850 
Case
Coolermaster HAF 912 advanced (Asia version) 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5-3570K Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3 Inno3D Ichill GTX660 8GB G.Skill RipjawsX 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 830 128GB WD black 500GB Liteon Coolermaster Hyper 212+ EVO 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Win 7 ultimate Samsung Syncmaster 932gwe+ OCZ ZT series 550W Coolermaster 410 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
1.67Ghz Atom stock 1GB DDR2 2 x 500GB Western Digital Cavier Blacks [RAID 1] 
CoolingOSPowerCase
stock DSM3.2 [built on linux] stock stock 
OtherOther
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