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[The Verge] Sony leaks reveal Hollywood is trying to break DNS, the backbone of the internet

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They're baaaacckkk!!! Rather more accurately, the MPAA never left the SOPA love boat. They're now full on colluding with corporate citizen gems like Comcast to "legally" justify essentially wresting control of the entire internet. Don't be fooled by the justification that their only aim is to limit pirated content; with the kind of power they are seeking, in liason with big boy ISP's, their ultimate aim is to be able to control what you have access to. If it's not in *their* interests for you to know about it, they want to ensure that you stay in the dark.
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Leaked documents reveal a frightening line of attack that's currently being considered by the MPAA: What if you simply erased any record that the site was there in the first place?

To do that, the MPAA's lawyers would target the Domain Name System (DNS) that directs traffic across the internet. The tactic was first proposed as part of the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in 2011, but three years after the law failed in Congress, the MPAA has been looking for legal justification for the practice in existing law and working with ISPs like Comcast to examine how a system might work technically. If the system works, DNS-blocking could be the key to the MPAA's long-standing goal of blocking sites from delivering content to the US. At the same time, it represents a bold challenge to the basic engineering of the internet, threatening to break the very backbone of the web and drawing the industry into an increasingly nasty fight with Google.
 
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Originally Posted by Chakravant View Post

I really don't see this happening. The US government wants to keep control over DNS protocols so much issues regarding it comprise some of the 19 points of disagreement preventing it from signing the TPP. The Fed would step in to stop this before it happened.
Doubt it, they'll line their pockets first.
 
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https://xkcd.com/1005/

As hatman says if they break it we wont make them a new one
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, blocking by DNS is a god awful idea and i hope its been dropped since the leak!
 
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...and it would accomplish nothing. People would just start using other DNSes.

Media companies never learn:
1) Companies propose new DRM/security/control technology. Break the law if necessary.
2) Hackers break the technology.
3) Companies implement the technology.
4) The technology burden consumers with hoops and lock-in. Does nothing to stop pirating.
 
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

...and it would accomplish nothing. People would just start using other DNSes.

Media companies never learn:
1) Companies propose new DRM/security/control technology. Break the law if necessary.
2) Hackers break the technology.
3) Companies implement the technology.
4) The technology burden consumers with hoops and lock-in. Does nothing to stop pirating.
Pretty much.

Pirating sites will start using more IP than DNS, other DNS systems not subject to the MPAA will start to be more of the backbone than current DNS systems.
New versions of torrent will start to surface more with harder to decrypt and more secure pear to pear files transfers for the masses.

Eventually this will fail.
 
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Pretty much.

Pirating sites will start using more IP than DNS, other DNS systems not subject to the MPAA will start to be more of the backbone than current DNS systems.
New versions of torrent will start to surface more with harder to decrypt and more secure pear to pear file transfers for the masses.

Eventually this will fail.
Certainly would fail. Never tried transferring pear to pear. Is it supposed to work like a potato clock or more like this?

 
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Originally Posted by coachmark2 View Post

They'd either block that or filter results from it to intercept queries to TPB, etc.

Then you'd cache your own DNS queries.

Mouse and mousetrap
indeed, they just DNAT all DNS to their server, nothing a end user can do about it apart from tunneling out! ISP's in the uk already do this
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#17 ·
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

...and it would accomplish nothing. People would just start using other DNSes.

Media companies never learn:
1) Companies propose new DRM/security/control technology. Break the law if necessary.
2) Hackers break the technology.
3) Companies implement the technology.
4) The technology burden consumers with hoops and lock-in. Does nothing to stop pirating.
and only people it would stop is the people know just enugh to download pirated material anyone used a computer very much will find ways to get content if they want it bad enugh while the consumer gets screwed.
 
#18 ·
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

...and it would accomplish nothing. People would just start using other DNSes.

Media companies never learn:
1) Companies propose new DRM/security/control technology. Break the law if necessary.
2) Hackers break the technology.
3) Companies implement the technology.
4) The technology burden consumers with hoops and lock-in. Does nothing to stop pirating.
they need to learn a thing or two from Valve. I have lost count on how many people I know quit pirating PC games.....
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Originally Posted by mutantmagnet View Post

I don't see the point in highlighting comcast. They aren't the only ISP who the MIAA asked for advice/assistance and it should be obvious from past actions by ISPs.
Because a Comcast engineer specifically meet with Sony to explain how it works and they have explicit evidence of it.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/15/7396639/hollywood-is-still-obsessed-with-breaking-the-internet
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On October 8th, Hollywood lawyers met for a secret "site-blocking confab" with a senior Comcast engineer at the MPAA's offices in Sherman Oaks. A leaked agenda from the meeting (pasted below) shows a crash course in the basic technical issues of site-blocking, from IP- and URL-based tactics to the larger political landscape. One session offered "Lessons from the Field," asking, "Have there been issues in site-blocking to date that should inform our thinking?" The group also circulated an earlier technical analysis, which suggested a hybrid model combining IP-based and URL-based models. If US law ever offers a way to wipe copyright-infringing sites off the web, the MPAA will know exactly how to do it.
 
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