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#1 ·
I hope it's alright that I'm posting it in this section of the forums but here goes:

I've gone through many mice and settled on the FK1tiny. It's the smallest mouse with a great sensor which gives me adequate control over mouse movements. However, do I have too much control? I started playing CS with laser mice which werent very large but still not exactly comfortable. My first Optical mouse was a deathadder. It was hard to properly grip and cramped my hand (something I experience with 99% of mice). Around that time my sensitivity was 2.4 with 400dpi. When I got my Zowie FK, I was at 450dpi and 1.65 (which is 1.85 sens and 400dpi). When I switched to the FK1 (but in my FK shell) I didn't feel the need to adjust my sensitivity to the new 400dpi instead of 450. It was really weird to me but I stuck with it. I wanted to lose a few games so I lowered my sensitivity to inhibit my mouse movements and found that 1.4 felt somewhat natural. I was using my arm more and therefor had more control. It's gotten to a point where I think 1.2 feels best, but I can't even do a 180 so it impedes my gameplay i.e. speed of my swipes onto people are slower.

Any opinions or similar experiences?
 
#2 ·
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Originally Posted by Clyq View Post

I hope it's alright that I'm posting it in this section of the forums but here goes:

I've gone through many mice and settled on the FK1tiny. It's the smallest mouse with a great sensor which gives me adequate control over mouse movements. However, do I have too much control? I started playing CS with laser mice which werent very large but still not exactly comfortable. My first Optical mouse was a deathadder. It was hard to properly grip and cramped my hand (something I experience with 99% of mice). Around that time my sensitivity was 2.4 with 400dpi. When I got my Zowie FK, I was at 450dpi and 1.65 (which is 1.85 sens and 400dpi). When I switched to the FK1 (but in my FK shell) I didn't feel the need to adjust my sensitivity to the new 400dpi instead of 450. It was really weird to me but I stuck with it. I wanted to lose a few games so I lowered my sensitivity to inhibit my mouse movements and found that 1.4 felt somewhat natural. I was using my arm more and therefor had more control. It's gotten to a point where I think 1.2 feels best, but I can't even do a 180 so it impedes my gameplay i.e. speed of my swipes onto people are slower.

Any opinions or similar experiences?
It sounds like it could be one of two things: you aren't used to the lower sensitivity yet, or your mousepad isn't big enough.

Not being able to do a 180 might stop being an issue if you increase your desk space and get a huge mousepad. Otherwise, you probably just need to get used to the new sensitivity. I used to play CS at 400DPI and 4 sensitivity. When I lowered my sensitivity, I couldn't get my cursor on anything without a lot of effort, but everything's fine now.

I personally recommend the QcK+ if you want to get a bigger mousepad. Very nice surface and really cheap.
 
#4 ·
1.2 sens @ 400 DPI is ******edly low. Only pro player I even know of that's in that territory is GuardiaN, and he uses 1.2 zoom_sensitivity_ratio for AWPing and 1.3 sens @ 400 DPI if memory serves.

For a QCK+ sized mousepad (~450mm/17.5inches), the lowest sens I found practical for competitive play was around 1.7 sens @ 400 DPI. The ability to 180 to check flanks and avoid flashes is well worth a little less aiming precision, and it's also extremely difficult to hit close range flick shots on enemies that strafe right by you at anything lower than that. Furthermore, I found the vertical element of rifle-spray control to be much more difficult to control under that sens.

I originally started CS:GO out at a sensitivity of something like the equivalent of 5.0 @ 800 DPI with mouse accel on, and over the past year+ had worked slowly and steadily all the way down to 0.84 @ 800 DPI, before quickly coming back up to my present sens of 0.93 @ 800 DPI. Though aiming was dreamy at 0.84, I eventually started realizing the impracticalities I pointed out in the previous paragraph and I've been completely satisfied with the slightly higher sens that permits a 180 on my 455mm mousepad. I suspect you are currently at the bottom of that sensitivity experimentation well like I was, and you'll eventually work your way back up to and settle on a less extreme sens than you're currently sporting.
 
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#5 ·
it might be the lower weight making a lower sensitivity feel more natural. I think people put a little too much importance on what feels natural. Typically what feels natural is what you're used to. Try to determine the sensitivity that fits best with the games you're into, your playstyle in those games, and your mousepad's size. Then play with it and get used to it.
 
#6 ·
I have a qck+

What I was trying to ask was thoughts on the shape and size of the mouse' influence on sensitivity. I.e larger mice can make smaller adjustments

Side fact, I'm an LEM in Csgo if that influences your advice.

I like your answer avatax.
 
#8 ·
m0E could easily knock someone out cold standing next to him with those ridiculous AWP swipes he has to do on that absurd sens/zoom combo. GuardiaN is another example of ultra-low sens pro player, running 1.3 @ 400 DPI, but with at least a more sensible zoom_sensitivity_ratio 1.2 for AWP flicks, if memory serves. I'm all for low sens, but not being able to turn 180 in a single swipe across your whole mouse pad is a little silly imo. For what little aiming benefits those ultra low sensitivities give you, you sacrifice being able to check flanks or quickly turn to battle a flanker, look away from head-on flashes, get close-quarter flicks on fast moving opponents, and it makes controlling the vertical component of deep AK/M4 sprays more difficult and cumbersome. I've personally been as low as 1.68 @ 400 DPI before , but it just made 1 v. X clutches the hardest thing in the world if I had to manage more than 2 angles at once.

Then again, you are currently Global Elite and I am a lowly double AK, so what the hell do I know. I call hax

Btw, 0.93 sens @ 800DPI here. Also, I find RInput with uncapped FPS necessary for the mouse movement to feel consistent and well-synchronized to what I'm seeing on-screen @ 120Hz w/ Blur Reduction. I have CS:GO set up to not droop below 250 FPS because I can honestly start to feel the mouse/framerate desynch and notice the increase in tearing pretty easily as the framerate dips under 300 and exponentially so as it drops to 250 and lower, and finally I find < 200 FPS maintained to be entirely unsuitable for using RInput. This all became evident to me as I was testing out various fps_max caps from 120 to 300, eventually determining that uncapped was indeed noticeably better for going the RInput route.

I don't know how I managed to play CS:GO at all back when I first started with a sens of ~5 @ 800 DPI with accel on, through a 60Hz monitor with an aggressive fps_max 128 cap... :shudder:
 
#9 ·
and dont you kind of hate CQC when it ensues unexpectedly? @ cookie

besides - and I already mentioned it elsewhere - a sens that low is far from standard for global players or those that play with pro teams.
the range is usually something like 800-1800 (sens*dpi) for those.
2-3 sens at 400 dpi is really the most common I see everywhere in csgeû
 
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and dont you kind of hate CQC when it ensues unexpectedly? @ cookie

besides - and I already mentioned it elsewhere - a sens that low is far from standard for global players or those that play with pro teams.
the range is usually something like 800-1800 (sens*dpi) for those.
2-3 sens at 400 dpi is really the most common I see everywhere in csgeû
I can do a ~140 degree turn with one swipe and I actually like to play close ranges, especially with the AWP (sniper). I guess it's just playstyle/prefference.

It's funny how people with outstanding tapping accuracy usually have a higher sens than player who are good in close range flicking.
 
#13 ·
I used to use 400dpi and 3 in game sens. When I switched to 1.6 in game sens, I couldn't do a full 180 as well. I just practised against expert bots till I got used to the sensivity. Personally I feel that if you're looking at the right direction/place at the right time with good teammates it should not be an issue.
 
#14 ·
Low sensitivity is just stupid. People like because its easyer. Look what sens make you confortable. One of my most admirable aimers have 5 sens 400dpi. he is not good at taping, but at playstyle, recoil control, is way better on the same team of his mate 2.3 sens 500dpi.. And this example is about th best team in my country, global elite whatever.

Do what makes you confy to play good
There is awesome aimers with 3cm/360 to 100cm/360.. And this is proved everytime
 
#15 ·
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Originally Posted by thizito View Post

Low sensitivity is just stupid. People like because its easyer. Look what sens make you confortable. One of my most admirable aimers have 5 sens 400dpi. he is not good at taping, but at playstyle, recoil control, is way better on the same team of his mate 2.3 sens 500dpi.. And this example is about th best team in my country, global elite whatever.

Do what makes you confy to play good
There is awesome aimers with 3cm/360 to 100cm/360.. And this is proved everytime
I wouldn't say low sensitivity is stupid for the same reason you mention near the end of your post. Whatever's comfortable and works is what you should use. I think you're right in saying it's easier, and that's why most people do it. It's not as difficult to get used to (and play well with) a lower sensitivity, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

I'm honestly curious to know which pro players use high sensitivities in CS. I don't think I've ever known anyone who goes above 1000DPI. f0rest is the highest in-game sens player I've heard of at 3.5.
 
#16 ·
Well, proplayers are used to sensitivitys since 10years old same sens. I remember trace and many using accel. And edward forest and mostly all players from brazilian mibr in 1.6.
The point is, proplayers stats with sens during life time. But a lot of newer players like high sens. That reeeeally doesnt matter at all...
 
#18 ·
When I started to play CSGO I used ridiculous 1.4x400CPI sensitivity and landed on Master Guardian I rank (I think). I played with it for a while but then realized how much more important correct corsshair placement was compared to being able to flick accurately.

I started to increase my sensitivity and my overall skills started to rise with it. Now I use 3.4x400CPI and now i'm GE. And I only soloq so I wasn't carried there.

I'm not saying high sens is universally better than low sens but for me it clearly is.
 
#19 ·
The guys at 4-5 sens use windows scaler such as 4/11.

I don't know what you mean by it's easier. When someone would switch to my sensitivity they would not be able to play, but if I switch to something higher I'll be fine. I actually play around with anything between 1-2 and things start to get messy around 1.8 with 400 dpi. thats really my problem, I get false feedback from practice vs a match. In DM against bots on knife speed and random adad with uneven floors, something like 1.18 is great. I can flick and spray etc. I get in game and that changes. In game I get positive reinforcement when I use something like 1.7. I'm inaccurate but fragging people left and right.

/sigh
 
#20 ·
Whether higher or lower sensitivity is ideal obviously depends on several things, but the two most important are mouse control style and the role you tend to play.

If you control with your wrist and tend to move the mouse on an arc to aim left and right, then a higher sens is preferable due to that movement not being accurate once your wrist is bending past a certain angle. While those who tend to fling their mice with their whole arm to aim left and right benefit from a lower sens because they can use muscle memory to make large sweeps very accurate, while still maintaining finer control with wristier movement. Support players also fall in this category.

As for player role, if you tend to play certain roles like a lurker-type Get_righT or Hiko role, having the higher sens is more appropriate for checking all the necessary angles and then being able to effortlessly unleash well-controlled sprays. While I find a lower sens is more ideal for an entry fragger or site-holding role, because you need to combine quick but very precise head-aiming in combination with good crosshair placement to get that entry or start nailing headshots when you know you're going to be facing down multiple enemies. AWPing also seems to be more in the realm of lower sens it would seem from what most pro AWPers tend toward, though I don't really have much AWPing experience to go into it.
 
#21 ·
I play with 3.6 at 400 dpi. Lowering my sensitivity below 3.6 makes restricts me to play smaller angles and is generally slower for me to get my crosshair on heads. Additionally, I can aim at long range better than close range. I wonder if I should raise it to get better at close range.
 
#22 ·
I definitely wouldn't raise it past what it already is. You say lower sensitivity makes aiming heads slower for you, but that's because you have to adjust your technique for a lower sensitivity. When I lowered mine, it took a long time to get used to it, but eventually I was able to aim on heads quicker because I would make aim with larger sweeps using my arm instead of just my wrist. Once I had allowed myself to adjust to low sens, the muscle memory from using the bigger muscles meant I could make these aiming sweeps extremely quick with higher precision than when I was at a high sens. Similarly, I flick around 180 and check, then flick back around to my exact original point I was aiming at because I'm so used to the exact amount of arm sweep this requires, the 180 flicks are nigh instantaneous.

Honestly the only limiting factor, outside of pure preference based on one's mouse grip and mouse control style (wrist versus arm), is that some people don't have big enough space on their desk to accommodate an appropriately large mousepad for proper low sens mouse control technique.
 
#23 ·
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Originally Posted by jayfkay View Post

s1mple uses 4-5 at 400 dpi afaik! and hiko uses 3.7 at 450. here is a little sample video of simple. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aJ5ynGbJS8
i know you are exaggerating but no there isnt. the range is far smaller than that. at least in csgo.
btw you speak about simple right? and his mate would be seized?
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Well i know some strange not famous players.. But with fame i know tf2 pro player ~2cm/360 and over 100cm bf4 player/defrager
 
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