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Update - 8/5/15 -

Finally got everything figured out! It's not the most elegant solution in the world, but I think it might work! wheee.gif
If anyone has seen me posting in random threads asking for help you know what has set me back for the last week on continuing the build. My original design of a radiator in the bottom is NOT going to work how I wanted it to. The problem is that when I started fitting everything in the build I realized that the spacing I had thought I had wasn't really there. I'd need to squeeze the radiator into a 26mm space EXACTLY and I couldnt figure out how to make it work. But I found the answer after looking through a lot of different threads and other forums (even *gasp* reddit) and a lot of people gave me some great ideas. The one that seems to be the most likely candidate is a stacked radiator design. Here is how we are going to get this to work:



We are going to trim the casing of the radiator and the fans a bit to make the fans sit flusher and save space. Loop isn't set in stone, when I get everything in it we will try and see the easiest and cleanist way to run the loop.

Im still playing with the idea of an ATX psu in the case, but If I do the connectors on the board are going to need to be changed (24 pin) either with an adapter or by desoldering the connector. If we go ATX I'm throwing in 2x Fury's. If we go SFX them in going GTX980's. I'm dropping the front expansion with the original psu completely. It just didnt look nice, so now it comes to "How much power can I fit in here" as the deciding factor for the GPU's.

Package is getting here Friday! My excitement level is unreal at this point. wheee.gif
post #42 of 78
great stuff !
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If you're going SFX, check this other Hadron build log for ideas on how to mount the PSU.

Looks like a great way to set it up, I did something similar with a scratch build case. Looks like I might do this too in the far future because I too like the idea of a dual GPU setup in a Hadron case!
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A little late, but subbed! I can't wait to see two graphics cards in a Hadron.
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post #45 of 78
Hey Wanou, nice to see you're still around!

ChainedHope, I also considered a 2-GPU setup for a concept Hadron build, but it looks like you get to live the dream. The stacked radiators setup is interesting and rarely done. But why not just use one thick 240mm radiator in push/pull?
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Quick question, why not selecting an Hadron Hydro
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Hey Wanou, nice to see you're still around!

ChainedHope, I also considered a 2-GPU setup for a concept Hadron build, but it looks like you get to live the dream. The stacked radiators setup is interesting and rarely done. But why not just use one thick 240mm radiator in push/pull?

2 slim rads or 1 thick rad should have a similar outcome i think, no ? I think what maters is the thermal exchange to remove calories from the rads. In other words i think air flow and metal surface are what matters.

now push or pull, i dont know.
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Quick question, why not selecting an Hadron Hydro
2 slim rads or 1 thick rad should have a similar outcome i think, no ? I think what maters is the thermal exchange to remove calories from the rads. In other words i think air flow and metal surface are what matters.

now push or pull, i dont know.

I'm only concerned that the 2 rads are stacked together. I would hope he would pick fans that have good static pressure to pull air, especially for the ones in between both rads.
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I'm only concerned that the 2 rads are stacked together. I would hope he would pick fans that have good static pressure to pull air, especially for the ones in between both rads.

It was a concern for myself as well tbh, but i found some pretty extensive research people had done years ago on [H] and a few other places. Stacking rads does come with a deficit but its has a noticeable difference. 2x 240mm slim rads stacked with a high pressure fan is around a thick 360mm rad. I kind of explained the reasoning for why im doing the stacked design as its the only way to make it fit and give enough radiator space for the dissipation of all the heat.
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Quick question, why not selecting an Hadron Hydro
2 slim rads or 1 thick rad should have a similar outcome i think, no ? I think what maters is the thermal exchange to remove calories from the rads. In other words i think air flow and metal surface are what matters.

now push or pull, i dont know.

*Note - This case is the Hydro thumb.gif (Think that statement was about this being a Hadron Air?) Also wanou I love your Hadron. It was the inspiration for this build back when it started almost a year ago.

Length makes a bit more difference over thickness. From the sources I was reading, a 60mm rad only dissipates ~20% more than a 30mm. While thats a big difference its not enough for dual gpu's and cpu loop to hit the thermals im hoping to achieve. Using the stacked design you get around ~20% less than if the radiators were spaced out in different areas. But that 20% is now out of a space of a 480mm radiator and not a 240. So the gains are a bit higher.

The fans im using are the Scythe 2000rpm slims. They are not the highest CFM but they will do the job and i can bring down the fan speeds to around 1200rpm with a simple resistor if the noise is "ungodly" but having a quite system isnt too much of a problem since I game with headphones on and no one else is usually in the room at the same time as me.

Also a quick update since its been almost a month:
Radiators are in *FINALLY* they took 2 weeks to ship and when they got here I was stuck on a business trip for a week. Need to pick up some smaller screws and figure out how to mount the radiators.
Also I test fit a standard ATX psu and it seems like it may fit as long as the GPU's i pick arent toooo long. It will require some custom sleeving (3'' 24pin cable needed lmao, any more and it would be too much)

I'm eyeballing the Nano but i need to see if waterblocks are coming before I decimate my bank account on them. If not we are going with good old R9-390x's since they actually fit in my price range lmao.

Also bought some velco and secured a ssd to the bottom of the case. The ridges that support the sides of the stock psu are the same length as the Samsung 850 Pro drive I have, it made me laugh when I could slide it in between and shake the case without it moving out of place. Velcro'd for good measure tho.

Pics will be coming tomorrow when I get a chance to go down to Home Depot and get the screws.
Edited by ChainedHope - 9/1/15 at 10:02pm
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*maniacle laugh* The nano does have a waterblock... Time to break my bank (when I get the money to do so, seeing how that's going to cost close to $1600... any sponsers lmao?).

In other news:
Scythe fans.. yeah they arent going to cut it. Im seeing some flex in the fans after trying to mount. Enough that I dont think it would be safe to power them on without them shattering. I found that I can use a single 20mm fan and that they dont flex but I need to ditch the anti-vibration rubber thingy majiger (No idea what its called, a gasket?). Using the 20mm fan is so tight that even screw heads make a difference, had to buy a few 6-32 flat screws so that they would sit flush and not cause a problem with them rubbing together. The problem now is that I don't have good enough fans as the Yate Loons are very low CFM. I'll need to do some research on something better to use, but for now they do the job.

Also found out that the motherboard IO is going to be too close to the radiator outlets. My choices are to desolder the PS/2 port or flip the radiator and drill new holes (probably the second option).

I'm also going to need a few 90 degree angle fittings and im searching performance-pc's website but can't find them in the height requirements that I need. The fittings can be no longer than 20 mm's after being installed into the radiator. If anyone has any recommendations that would work, id love to know. The smallest i've found that has measurements is 29 mm. I can try to bend a tube but it will be the tightest 90 degree bend known to man as I dont have much room for error with these giant primochill ghost fittings.

One more update... im going to stop giving timelines, I can never follow them. If I could, this project would be finished by now rolleyes.gif
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Its here biggrin.gif



Need to wait a bit for my next check before getting the other card and the waterblocks. On top of this we are switching out the DC-LT pump for a large tube pump/res. Theres a reason for it, but i wont spoil the surprise (and the failures)

Dont pay attention to the time stamps lol, i didnt feel like reseting the camera tongue.gif
Edited by ChainedHope - 9/28/15 at 3:21am
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