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If their symmetrical shell is good it could be a candidate for a transplant.
That guy sounds just like you.
Ehh. He rings everything up to "a processing delay". I don't do that, and there are other things he seems very confident about that I am not. I don't necessarily agree with his opinion on qsxcv's tests either.

This is something he wrote up: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=410245409
Edited by MaximilianKohler - 9/23/15 at 11:20am
    
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Can't seem to order this from Canada. This is the message I get: Sorry, this item can't be shipped to your selected address. Learn more. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order.
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Originally Posted by MaximilianKohler View Post

Ehh. He rings everything up to "a processing delay". I don't do that, and there are other things he seems very confident about that I am not.

This is something he wrote up: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=410245409

I won't go into detail. It's not worth starting another back and forth...
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Originally Posted by johnsamuels View Post

Great to hear cheeselol!

If they'd stop about lenses and secret sauces, and instead focus on quality control, they'll be onto a winner.

How is it performing for you so far cheeselol?

The shape is not my favorite. I prefer mice which are fatter in the back and have a shallower palm curve, so I like the Zowie EC and FK series vs the Finalmouse and ZA series respectively. The ring finger ridge is also an annoyance; it's occupying the space my ring finger wants to be in. The mouse is clearly designed for people who hold their hand flatter in relation to the desk than I do, which is more vertically aligned. I also prefer mice which get narrower towards the front. The Finalmouse gets wider towards the front.

I'm not going to address sensor performance because it's already been beaten to death, but other things (which I consider more objective) about the mouse are done really well. It's lightweight and has smaller feet for low friction, making it really hard to use my EC1-A weapon of choice because I've become so conscious of how dense it really is. I do wish they keep the mouse feet arrangement for the ambi version or at least offer a version which has small feet; judging from the diagram posted previously it looks like they've increased the area of the feet tremendously. Clicks are also superb. nice and tactile with no delay. The mouse is susceptible to bump-clicking but I don't manhandle my mouse enough to cause it to happen.

I'm going to continue using the mouse and see if I can adjust to the shape, because otherwise I think the Finalmouse does things right. I also like that FM has a representative that's active in the community and seems to really listen to feedback.

Edit: forgot to mention how stupid the logo/scrollwheel LED is. It's so bright it's blinding during the day. At night it's absolutely horrible, and it LED doesn't shut off when the computer does. I have to unplug it so I can go to sleep. The light also projects out of the front of the mouse along the scrollwheel, so if you're playing in a dark room prepare to have the light hit the monitor/wall in front of you.
Edited by cheeselol - 9/23/15 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by Klopfer View Post

I hope the Ambi Version comes out soon ... and the shipping to GER will be fast ...
seems to be the better choice as buying maybe SS Rival 100 ( 3050? ) ...

It appears to be in the production phase. Meaning, it should be out in a few months or sooner. To bad there is no stated time line for the release and no alternative firmware.
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Originally Posted by MaximilianKohler View Post

Just adding an opinion of an SMFC level CSGO player that didn't want to post here.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
10:23 AM - FEEL THE BERN sanders4president: you've used a 3366 mouse right?
10:25 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: yea
10:25 AM - FEEL THE BERN sanders4president: Can you post a short comparison between that, the KPM, FM, and MLT04 here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1531877/finalmouse-2015/2500_50 - there's an ongoing debate with people who think the 3366 is the best
10:27 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: okay
10:27 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: well
10:27 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: its simple
10:28 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: the logitech mice have the best precision and best accuracy for tracking at all speeds
10:28 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: but theres a delay to the tracking
10:28 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: for processing
10:28 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: the delay for processing is less on the kpm, but still present
10:28 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: and it has the 2nd best precision and accuracy
10:28 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: fm has no processor on it
10:28 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: so it has a rawinput style through a filter
10:29 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: which allows it to have the best feeling precision without any inputlag added
10:29 AM - FEEL THE BERN sanders4president: you should say "feels like there's a delay" because some guy was doing some tests and they all showed that the 3366 doesn't have some specific measurable delays that other mice do have
10:29 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: the 8bit data type of the mlt04 mice gives it a severe advantage over all mice listed above
10:29 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: it would be competitive at 1000hz, but due to lack of driver support it cannot compete
10:29 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: that good enough for you?
10:29 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: this is pure tracking analysis
10:30 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: and someone with a fancy 1000fps camera
10:30 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: can verify it
10:30 AM - FEEL THE BERN sanders4president: some of that seemed contradictory
10:30 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: nothing i said was contradictory
10:30 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: ;d
10:31 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: but
10:31 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: honestly
10:31 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: its meh
10:31 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: i like finalmouse and intellimouse mlt04
10:31 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: because of my ability to make very fast reaction snaps
10:32 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: i feel like i have more control over it
10:32 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: but who knows maybe that is worse
10:32 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: than having a mouse that tracks flawlessly even with a tracking delay
10:32 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: and btw
10:32 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: noone has measured
10:32 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: tracking delays
10:32 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: which is one of the most important parts
10:32 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: as you can mod the buttons relatively easily
10:38 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: i cant rank those mice
10:38 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: btw
10:38 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: because its
10:38 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: on a scale from raw .... to -> delayed but flawlessly precise and accurate
10:38 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: it goes
10:38 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: MLT04 -> FM -> KPM -> 3366 mice
10:38 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: so
10:38 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: pick where you want to be
11:03 AM - FEEL THE BERN sanders4president: is FM your current mouse?
11:04 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: yea
11:04 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: personally id probably be using the intellimouse if it was 1000hz
11:05 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: its still almost as good at 125hz

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
*linked to qsxcv's tests & explanation*
10:35 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: i dont think
10:35 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: that is a good enough test
10:35 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: i can tell you
10:35 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: that the only way to measure tracking delay
10:36 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: is to actually test the detail switching directions
10:36 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: from when you switch directions on the mouse
10:36 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: to when the cursor or crosshair switches directions
10:36 AM - FEEL THE BERN sanders4president: he's done that too
10:36 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: and catch them both in frame
10:36 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: on a 1000fps camera
10:36 AM - FEEL THE BERN sanders4president: ah
10:36 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: his test isnt conclusive
10:37 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: because it doesnt actually test the tracking lag
10:37 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: on top of the smoothing lag
10:37 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: which is the most important part
10:37 AM - twitch.tv/jStar_TV: for competitive gaming

Are you sure the weights of the mice aren't affecting your judgment on the sensors? The FM is only 74g so sure you can flick around your mouse pad with ease. What was the 3366 mice you both used? Perhaps the G502 which is pretty much ~65% heavier, much harder to move it..
post #2577 of 4669
anyone knows what Mouse skatez will fit on the finalmouse ?
and @FinalmouseJude will the feets/Skatez on the ambi version the same ?

I never was a "fan" of the original mousefeets and always try to buy directly 1-2 new pair of skatez maybe from takasta ( Hotline Games ) , Corepad or Hyperglide ...
@takasta why there are no "competition" version of the Hotline Games DIY - Mouse Feet ?
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no offense to anyone but a smfc rank right now really doesnt mean much.

also lol@
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mat_queue_mode should be 2.

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Are you sure the weights of the mice aren't affecting your judgment on the sensors?
100% sure.
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The FM is only 74g so sure you can flick around your mouse pad with ease. What was the 3366 mice you both used? Perhaps the G502 which is pretty much ~65% heavier, much harder to move it..
The 3.0 and DAs are also quite heavy.
    
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g502 is a good 20g heavier than either of those though
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