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Originally Posted by bank1997 View Post

I heard fm se will last longer than 1st edition whoever has experienced with fm se that last longer than 6months?

I thought I heard a particular streamer say his SE died. I think he had a 1st edition die, then a 2nd edition [SE] die. Now he is getting another FinalMouse now that they are in stock.

I wouldn't want to go through at least 3 RMAs a year. That much money for something that will eventually die... I still have an Intellimouse and Diamondback from over a decade ago that still work.
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

I thought I heard a particular streamer say his SE died. I think he had a 1st edition die, then a 2nd edition [SE] die. Now he is getting another FinalMouse now that they are in stock.

I wouldn't want to go through at least 3 RMAs a year. That much money for something that will eventually die... I still have an Intellimouse and Diamondback from over a decade ago that still work.

I would rather have the product last years as well all intact. However a 3 year warranty is a big thing. Issue? They'll hit you with a new one. If the customer service was crappy then i'd think about it. However they are good about responding & helping out. So i have no issue, The QC will come through eventually. Or they'll loose too much money in replacements. They are on the right track.
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I would rather have the product last years as well all intact. However a 3 year warranty is a big thing. Issue? They'll hit you with a new one. If the customer service was crappy then i'd think about it. However they are good about responding & helping out. So i have no issue, The QC will come through eventually. Or they'll loose too much money in replacements. They are on the right track.

They charge ~$70 for a ODM mouse and offer a 3 year warranty.

They didn't have to design the mold, they didn't pay for software/drivers, they use a lower end MCU, etc. They make a lot of money selling this mouse.

Is this mouse worth sending 1-4 mice back a year until the warranty is over?
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real question is whether they'll still be around in 3 yrs
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they will if you buy their product and they don't get sued into oblivion for malvertising
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There was an issue that would cause the original edition sensors to die, but the Summer Edition fixed that. We havent seen a single SE go bad electrically! That being said we are still constantly improving the industrial design end, as well as obviously working to get the ambi out.

Kind Regards,
Jude
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posted this before, but a capacitor in mine had almost no solder on one of the pins and one day the mouse just didnt work. added solder and it works fine now... but still
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posted this before, but a capacitor in mine had almost no solder on one of the pins and one day the mouse just didnt work. added solder and it works fine now... but still

We made the switch to a more advanced wave soldering procedure at some point, I would have assumed it was with the factory change. But yes, something like that is what I would call a QC issue and is what we are constantly improving on. Things become easier when volume becomes higher believe it or not, since it forces us to control every facet of production such as PCB fab, etc...

Sometime next year my hope is that we have stronger production overwatch, and a stronger overseas logistics presence. This is very hard to do for companies that operate under 100mill/yr revenues.

But frankly industrial design on the original FM was the area that had the most room for improvement, this is the reason the ambi already has a more consistent assembly... it is just much better tooled since we designed it from the ground up.

We are getting close to ambi release as well so Ill give any updates once I hear things.

Kind Regards,
Jude
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They charge ~$70 for a ODM mouse and offer a 3 year warranty.

They didn't have to design the mold, they didn't pay for software/drivers, they use a lower end MCU, etc. They make a lot of money selling this mouse.

Is this mouse worth sending 1-4 mice back a year until the warranty is over?

I have only had an issue with 1 mouse. Since then i've had no problems. So it depends on the person really. Would i send 1-4 back if i kept having issues? If that comes to be, i will let you know.

The SE is still much better off than the original product. This much we know.
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To be honest, I'm still concerned that Jude thinks "x" factor is ok because it's not a problem for him. This is one of the primary reasons why there are so many extremely flawed mice IMO.

One good example is the Aurora. The lack of contours on the side are what make the shape so highly favored by me. Whereas other people had complaints about the tapering of the rear. They would prefer a rear more like the WMO. Well the rear that they prefer has zero impact on me, negative or positive. And the lack of contours on the side has zero impact on them. So the right direction here for both parties is very obvious. But if you just had me or them create a mouse without the inputs from each other, the results would be something unnecessarily flawed. And this is a problem that the vast majority of gaming mice have.

You CAN make a shape & size that is going to be the most ideal and least problematic for the most amount of people. And this is a design philosophy that hasn't been done with any decent gaming mouse.

I personally haven't been able to find one for cheap, but I don't think I've seen a single person who dislikes the WMO shape. But that's not to say the WMO shape can't be improved without negatively impacting people who currently like it.
    
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