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I try and state the wet on scale weight when I can. I had posted pictures several months back.

The hard part is that we cant just officially weigh the mice with the cable because naturally a braided cable will weigh anything down even if its hanging off a scale. So the factory does the weight prewiring and assembly.

We are putting up a specifications/comparison page soon that will have all these more detailed specs written out.

But in general you get around `~86-87 grams wet weight on the Pro, and 84-86 on the classic.

S1 was initially supposed to be heavier but we made a mistake with the PCB, it will actually be lighter than the tournament pro, since about 20% of the pcb is no longer there since no LED is necessary for the sensor.

There is a way we can cut about 5 grams off of the weight of the pro and get it down to an official 71 grams preassembly but at that point you begin sacrificing sensor performance. With the 3360 maintaining stability is very important and when you cut out too much weight then the mouse naturally starts tilting, being lifted naturally when swiped, etc....

So its actually pretty hard to go below 70 grams.
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Originally Posted by FinalmouseJude View Post

I try and state the wet on scale weight when I can. I had posted pictures several months back.

The hard part is that we cant just officially weigh the mice with the cable because naturally a braided cable will weigh anything down even if its hanging off a scale. So the factory does the weight prewiring and assembly.

We are putting up a specifications/comparison page soon that will have all these more detailed specs written out.

But in general you get around `~86-87 grams wet weight on the Pro, and 84-86 on the classic.

S1 was initially supposed to be heavier but we made a mistake with the PCB, it will actually be lighter than the tournament pro, since about 20% of the pcb is no longer there since no LED is necessary for the sensor.

There is a way we can cut about 5 grams off of the weight of the pro and get it down to an official 71 grams preassembly but at that point you begin sacrificing sensor performance. With the 3360 maintaining stability is very important and when you cut out too much weight then the mouse naturally starts tilting, being lifted naturally when swiped, etc....

So its actually pretty hard to go below 70 grams.

You could do what Logitech does -- cut off the cable from the exit and then weigh the mouse.

I was wondering why the 3360 would be heavier when it's physically smaller and doesn't require the same PCB footprint. Hence why I was wondering if you could push the sensor position closer to the wheel.

There shouldn't be any LEDs on the Scream1 version because they serve no use. The PCB could be more compact, the shell wouldn't need extra plastic to funnel the light to the logo and you won't need to use transparent ABS.

I don't know why people think you could make a decent quality, medium sized mouse, with side buttons, that weighs close to 70g. The WMO is ~80g mouse without side buttons.
Edited by popups - 2/1/16 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by Derp View Post

Now that I think of it, 76g is a little hard to believe for a mouse that size. Do you have a scale? Can you check the weight like this?


http://imgur.com/a/dUN5C ask and recive
post #4194 of 4666
my 2015 fmse (with both leds and part of the sensor led clip clipped off) weighs ~85g. something between 82 and 88 depending on how you hold the cable.

it definitely feels light though, even though, for instance, g303 measures around the same weight. i think it's to do with the weight of the cable.
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We actually do plan to push the sensor position up ever so slightly on the scream one. And i mean EVER so slightly.

And like I said there are ways we can cut even more weight off of the s1/tp shape... but with the 3360 i dont think its necessarily wise. Pixart goes as far as to recommend teflon feet around the sensor for increased stability... obviously this is not necessary... but when you get too light this warping/tilting while swiping becomes more of an issue.
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And like I said there are ways we can cut even more weight off of the s1/tp shape... but with the 3360 i dont think its necessarily wise. Pixart goes as far as to recommend teflon feet around the sensor for increased stability... obviously this is not necessary..
well apparently logitech thinks it's necessary as all their mice have it tongue.gif
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well apparently logitech thinks it's necessary as all their mice have it tongue.gif

Got to keep that soft foam mouse pad in check. Even on hard pads a mouse can flex if you are the type of person to rest your hand on the mouse rather than the table.

It's better to have them than not to have them because you can always take the feet off.

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We actually do plan to push the sensor position up ever so slightly on the scream one. And i mean EVER so slightly.

I am talking millimeters further forward. Apparently the general consumer only wants the sensor in the middle of the mouse. I am one of a few people who wants it as close to the scroll wheel as physically possible.

By the way, I think those side buttons on the TP need a redesign. They look like they stick out way too much.
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Also I believe we are clamping the 3360 lens to the sensor itself, so stability wise it should be more than fine.
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and I like it a bit more back from the middle
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it seems like only a tiny bit, but for instance if you look at the 3090 datasheet, dpi changes by ~1.3% for a 0.1mm difference in height. the value is similar for the 3360.
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Also I believe we are clamping the 3360 lens to the sensor itself, so stability wise it should be more than fine.
by themselves, the two posts on the 3360 lens are not enough to keep it from wobbling. hence why the lens is often loose for the g303.
you need to have a bit of pressure between the shell and the lens. probably having screws on the pcb near the sensor/lens would be good.
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