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post #4421 of 4666
Could care less if the guy was honest and didn't intend to mislead. The amount of BS I've read is pretty hilarious.

Carry on.
post #4422 of 4666
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Originally Posted by Alya View Post


I don't know much about FM and I don't want to because they sketch me out so instead I'm going to be playing devil's advocate here, but don't you think that if I am paying top dollar for a mouse then I do deserve the best? I am not free loading and just going "Oh I deserve this when I didn't do anything to earn it." because I did do something to earn it...I gave them $70, and do I as the consumer not have the right to expect the product to have as few flaws as possible (though first batches usually have problems that go undetected, I'll give FM that.)

It's great to see that you can use a dictionary, I'm sure your parents must be so proud. That education is paying off, congratulations.

I work in customer service and see this level of erratic behaviour all the time, the self-entitled nature of human beings being overly emotional towards an inanimate object. Granted, I've been annoyed myself a little bit, but I've got it sorted out myself and I've gone through the proper motions, i.e. Amazon and Finalmouse Support.

I've had 3 Finalmouse TP's thus far and while my mouse still isn't perfect, FMTP rev2/batch2 however you want to phrase it will seemingly fix all of these issues. I mean, take the current state of Amazon.co.uk for example, 1 customer has put a word in surrounding this peripheral and now it's unsellable to anyone else, which is just ludacris.

There were also slight issues w/ the launch of the FM 2015 Ergo but they were also all fixed in the second revision of the mouse and finally, these revisions to the Finalmouse TP will help the Scream version of the mouse also. It's just getting a little annoying when people they're entitled to the meadow when all they've bought is a flower, you know what I mean?

To answer your question though:
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but don't you think that if I am paying top dollar for a mouse then I do deserve the best?

I do, but you have to also understand that this is a new company, newer than most and while they have had a while to get their newer mouses ready, you have to also understand that manufacturing errors do occur and it's hard to get things perfect the first time around.
post #4423 of 4666
itt: entitled nerds who have nothing better to do than whine about a mouse company
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You aren't very good at this are you?

could you be anymore snobby about this? please enlighten us as to why he's 'not good at this'.

the self-righteousness and snobbishness of people here are RIDICULOUS. oh it doesn't have 1000hz, so what? a) you weren't good at games to begin with b) it wouldn't make a difference anyways. 500hz->1000hz doesn't make everything suddenly way better and amazing. there is no noticeable difference between them at all, so it's just another dumb criticism.

my finalmouse is working perfectly and has no issues. and I bet that's the case for 90% of those mice sold because most people don't say a word when their product works and they're happy with it.

it's just pathetic and even hypocritical to rip them so much when people literally recommend kanas and kinzus, some of the worst mice ever made. people will recommend a sensor with 10cm LOD and advise you to put tape over it, and somehow finalmouse is the crappiest and money hungry company out there? Kim Rom said no to better switches because they cost pennies more, but Jude is somehow the second coming of Satan with the IQ of a rock?

people are sketched out from finalmouse because they're a small company and think they only care about money... here's a solution, hire more people and call it Steelseries. now people suddenly don't care. you think their intentions are malicious because of the small size of the company, yet size and maliciousness are not mutually exclusive.

I would wager most people here know nothing of manufacturing or starting/running a business, yet they will run their mouse and complain all day and act like people are stupid to referring to a 'tier 1' manufacturing plant. 99% of the time, those people making the claims have no idea what they're talking about, as evident here.

once again, my finalmouse tournament pro is working fine, oh my god it must be the only one in existence better call the BBB right now
Edited by wmoftw - 2/13/16 at 9:56am
post #4424 of 4666
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Originally Posted by wmoftw View Post

itt: entitled nerds who have nothing better to do than whine about a mouse company
could you be anymore snobby about this? please enlighten us as to why he's 'not good at this'.

the self-righteousness and snobbishness of people here are RIDICULOUS. oh it doesn't have 1000hz, so what? a) you weren't good at games to begin with b) it wouldn't make a difference anyways. 500hz->1000hz doesn't make everything suddenly way better and amazing. there is no noticeable difference between them at all, so it's just another dumb criticism.

my finalmouse is working perfectly and has no issues. and I bet that's the case for 90% of those mice sold because most people don't say a word when their product works and they're happy with it.

it's just pathetic and even hypocritical to rip them so much when people literally recommend kanas and kinzus, some of the worst mice ever made. people will recommend a sensor with 10cm LOD and advise you to put tape over it, and somehow finalmouse is the crappiest and money hungry company out there? Kim Rom said no to better switches because they cost pennies more, but Jude is somehow the second coming of Satan with the IQ of a rock?

people are sketched out from finalmouse because they're a small company and think they only care about money... here's a solution, hire more people and call it Steelseries. now people suddenly don't care. you think their intentions are malicious because of the small size of the company, yet size and maliciousness are not mutually exclusive.

I would wager most people here know nothing of manufacturing or starting/running a business, yet they will run their mouse and complain all day and act like people are stupid to referring to a 'tier 1' manufacturing plant. 99% of the time, those people making the claims have no idea what they're talking about, as evident here.

once again, my finalmouse tournament pro is working fine, oh my god it must be the only one in existence better call the BBB right now

^ this.

+1
post #4425 of 4666
Well I think Jude needs a bit more respect for trying to communicate with us. Yes he is no skylit but he never claimed to be. He is not responsible for sensor engineering so don't act as if he was.

It's noble that he is trying to communicate with us.
However, complaining, like in many many threads with many products, such as Zowie, is not because people hve nothing better to do but to raise awareness and be heard. If customers are persistent enough then companies will listen.

And no, this is not a first time that FM has issues. This has happened with every release. The 2016 ergo has a lot of the issues that 2015 had. Just read people's reports.

The problem here is not failing, it's lying and spreading false info. That's not cool. So that's a massive failure.
Yes people go overboard with complaining but better that then letting the companies get away with it. Just don't take it personally, of course people are pissed off. Just the way it works. This is a very common thing and I'm surprised that you're surprised about it.
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The problem here is not failing, it's lying and spreading false info.

lying and spreading false info? what did they lie about and what false info did they spread? other than the weight being listed incorrectly for the tourny pro, they haven't lied about anything.

is this the whole 'they said they and pros made the shell but it's oem so they are lying'? because i already proved you guys wrong on that, all it shows is how bad people are at reading comprehension. fm never said they made the shell, nor did a pro.
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lying and spreading false info? what did they lie about and what false info did they spread? other than the weight being listed incorrectly for the tourny pro, they haven't lied about anything.

is this the whole 'they said they and pros made the shell but it's oem so they are lying'? because i already proved you guys wrong on that, all it shows is how bad people are at reading comprehension. fm never said they made the shell, nor did a pro.

It's nothing to do with lying, it is the dishonesty. Yes those are two different things. The weight was listed incorrectly for every mouse they have released.
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lying and spreading false info? what did they lie about and what false info did they spread? other than the weight being listed incorrectly for the tourny pro, they haven't lied about anything.

is this the whole 'they said they and pros made the shell but it's oem so they are lying'? because i already proved you guys wrong on that, all it shows is how bad people are at reading comprehension. fm never said they made the shell, nor did a pro.

 

Do you not remember the "custom lens" that is actually just the standard ADNS-2120 lens.

 

The "several marketing guys" working in the Finalmouse residential cupboard and their "internal testing".

 

The weight listed is wrong.

 

The secret sauce firmware "optimized" for 400, 800, 1600, 3200 CPI that was the same as the Avior 7000 firmware.

 

The OEM shell "designed by pros".

 

The "expensive" PMW-3310 sensor.

 

The justifications for 500Hz polling rate.

 

The history of Feenix and their "artisan" OEM mice.

 

Even Zowie has managed to make better mice where you can change LOD (low/super low), polling rate and removed the LEDs from their mice except the EC series because they were too cheap to redesign the pcb.

 

It's not hard to understand why. Finalmouse has been consistently been dishonest to justify the $70 price for a cheap OEM mouse. Why should anyone trust anything they say. I'm just so impressed that Finalmouse has managed to make Zowie look respectable and Zowie/BenQ is responsive on reddit.


Edited by Dreyka - 2/13/16 at 10:27am
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Do you not remember the "custom lens" that is actually just the standard ADNS-2120 lens.
The "several marketing guys" working in the Finalmouse residential cupboard.
The weight listed is wrong.
The secret sauce firmware "optimized" for 400, 800, 1600, 3200 CPI that was the same as the Avior 7000 firmware.
The OEM shell "designed by pros".
The "expensive" PMW-3310 sensor.

how is this any different than literally every other gaming company? razer, steelseries, almost everyone uses buzz words and over-hypes things.
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It's not hard to understand why. Finalmouse has been consistently been dishonest to justify the $70 price for a cheap OEM mouse. Why should anyone trust them.

because for $70 I get a mouse that works very well? better than any razer, steelseries, or logitech mouse right now in terms of shape (wmo shape) and performance and weight.

you just listed literally whiny nit-picky reasons to criticize finalmouse. this is just like the 'they said pros made the shell' things. literally everyone who complained about that is 100% wrong and can't read. I am serious, you dummies cannot read something without making generalizations and using it to attack them in any way. I gave people the benefit of the doubt and said 'alright, what did finalmouse actually say in regards to the shell?". surprise surprise, people here were in the wrong. they never claimed they made the shell, nor did they say a pro designed it. they just said the shape received input from pros, which last time I checked, no one here can disprove. I bet when I go and look at all the other 'lies' from finalmouse, it's going to be the same situation. some butt-hurt nobody taking something out of context or misinterpreting it completely wrong, or being overly sensitive about marketing buzzwords. even the points listed above are garbage, no different from what steelseries or razer does.
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lying and spreading false info? what did they lie about and what false info did they spread? other than the weight being listed incorrectly for the tourny pro, they haven't lied about anything.

is this the whole 'they said they and pros made the shell but it's oem so they are lying'? because i already proved you guys wrong on that, all it shows is how bad people are at reading comprehension. fm never said they made the shell, nor did a pro.

I was referring to the fact that they said the Ergo 2016 will have rubber sides and 1000 hz (iirc).
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