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[KitGuru] Xbox One SDK leaked, claims scene group

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http://www.kitguru.net/gaming/security-software/matthew-wilson/the-xbox-one-sdk-has-been-leaked/
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A group called H4LT has managed to leak the official Xbox One developer SDK, potentially opening the door for homebrew applications as well as giving unapproved developers the ability to create unofficial software for the system. The leak was announced via H4LT's Twitter account, the group also provided screenshots of the SDK's files.
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The original Xbox SDK leak led to the development of XBMC, an extremely popular home theatre application which boasted features still unmatched by next-gen consoles. Given the specs of the latest consoles and the 4K capability, homebrew software could make the One very desirable among enthusiasts.
 
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This could lead to a modded xbox (if you know what I mean). This could mean a people can start working on a emulator but even if there was it would be hard to get a good frame on a xbone emu.
 
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From what I understand, xbox one is based on windows and that in itself is a vulnerability since Microsoft's operating system is globally exploited for bugs, unlike ps4 that likely has ECDSA since it was introduced in all later models of PS3 which is nearly impossible to break into.
 
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Originally Posted by Orangey View Post

Xbox systems traditionally are hard to emulate. Can't remember why right now but it's a damn shame.
You are going to need 8x times the power of a xbox one to emulate (or even more).
 
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xbox one emulator. you'd be lying if you say you're not interested
The games that are truly xbone exclusive are few and among these that I'm aware of I cant think of any which I would particularly yearn for. Ofc that is subjective and having an option would be nice, I guess. Although I would much prefer the option of playing the same game on PC as a proper port as opposed to running it in virtual XBOne with all its limitations compared to the high end gaming PC.
 
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Originally Posted by Said Nobody View Post

You are going to need 8x times the power of a xbox one to emulate (or even more).
since they're x86 as well I think it would be different this time. heck when they demo'd the xbox one at e3 it was like this



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The games that are truly xbone exclusive are few and among these that I'm aware of I cant think of any which I would particularly yearn for. Ofc that is subjective and having an option would be nice, I guess. Although I would much prefer the option of playing the same game on PC as a proper port as opposed to running it in virtual XBOne with all its limitations compared to the high end gaming PC.
JRPG's. that is all
 
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Don't they give these out to people who sign up for their indie development programs? Like normal everyday homebrew developers? It's really no big deal and if anybody modded the XONE then all they need to do is release a patch.
 
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With the rumored "failure to deliver for the next gen games",the xbox and its general loss of market share to the ps4 they had to come up with some new design or features on it, its now open to enthusiast level?
 
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It's just x86 roughly equivalent to low end i3 in its total processing power plus approx AMD 7790 level GFX power (with DDR3 memory, *shudder*).
that's not how it works, the performance characteristics of the i3 and Jaguar thing with 8 cores are quite different, same for the GPU, the Xbox one have a big ESRAM cache which would be problematic for emulation, and they all share the same piece of silicon and memory

and emulation normally have a huge performance cost, overhead... a PC with similar specs is probably very far from enough for emulating the Xbox One...

I know the original Xbox not having an emulator is mostly because of lack of interest, but that thing is also running X86 (733MHz Coppermine) + Geforce3/4 GPU and custom OS based on Windows and DirectX, if that made emulating extremely easy, I'm sure we would be able to emulate it right now...

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Originally Posted by jprovido View Post

since they're x86 as well I think it would be different this time. heck when they demo'd the xbox one at e3 it was like this


JRPG's. that is all
this means nothing, it's just that the real console was not ready, so they used a Windows PC version of the game, to show something....
 
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Originally Posted by TheHorse View Post

You can get 2 16 core server CPUs and OC them to 5.5GHz on liquid nitrogen with 4-way SLI Titans, it's not gonna run an xb one game.
We have chips with more L3 than that Xbone's ESRAM.

X86 opcodes are X86 opcodes. PC can emulate a Xbone without breaking a sweat. Anyone who things the Xbone is something unique or magical has consumed the kool-aid.

Will be nice to play all those lovely console exclusives at 4K.
 
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Originally Posted by HMBR View Post

that's not how it works, the performance characteristics of the i3 and Jaguar thing with 8 cores are quite different, same for the GPU, the Xbox one have a big ESRAM cache which would be problematic for emulation, and they all share the same piece of silicon and memory

and emulation normally have a huge performance cost, overhead... a PC with similar specs is probably very far from enough for emulating the Xbox One...

I know the original Xbox not having an emulator is mostly because of lack of interest, but that thing is also running X86 (733MHz Coppermine) + Geforce3/4 GPU and custom OS based on Windows and DirectX, if that made emulating extremely easy, I'm sure we would be able to emulate it right now...
this means nothing, it's just that the real console was not ready, so they used a Windows PC version of the game, to show something....
Lack of interest seemed to be the biggest hurdle.
 
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Originally Posted by jprovido View Post

xbox one emulator. you'd be lying if you say you're not interested
more interested in a "wrapper" than an emulator... the hardware is same architectures as our PCs, if we get anything, it will likely be something similar to "taio type x2 loader" from arcades... those machines were just PCs with a special version of XP CE, somebody found out how to get the arcade game files to work on a normal windows operating system and you can play some games natively, not emulated.... that's what i hope to eventually see from xbone "emulation"
 
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I didn't think the SDK was so coveted, Don't I just need to apply and show some sort of development history enrol in their ID@xbox program to gain access?

Its free but you do sign an NDA and they have to approve you first.

XBOne's are already pretty flexible with HTPC functionality; emulators would be the biggest draw.
 
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FYI: The original Xbox SDK was leaked as well and yet we still don't have emulation. An SDK doesn't have anything to do emulation or vulnerabilities.
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Originally Posted by Dyson Poindexter View Post

We have chips with more L3 than that Xbone's ESRAM.

X86 opcodes are X86 opcodes. PC can emulate a Xbone without breaking a sweat. Anyone who things the Xbone is something unique or magical has consumed the kool-aid.

Will be nice to play all those lovely console exclusives at 4K.
You need to be able to emulate the architecture, this means how the CPU communicates with the GPU and various memory subsystems. You will probably need 10x the compute to emulate Xbox One as emulation is inherently latent.

Also, a GTX 980 can barely play DR3 and Ryse at 4k and those are built for the PC, much less an emulated version of those games.
 
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Originally Posted by N0rm View Post

The architecture is x86, that takes CPU emulation out of the picture. The problem is hUMA, which sadly for AMD no one bothered to bring into mainstream software, let alone an emulator you can hardly monetize.
That's still in process. There are many players involved with HSA and will come in due time.
 
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That's still in process. There are many players involved with HSA and will come in due time.
Since the Xbox 1 only has GDDR3 ram, they could just emulate all the ram using system ram. A lot of people have 16GB or more ram on their system now.
 
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