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Believe me, nothing is worse than ASUS. I had so many troubles with my Swift that I hope ASUS burns in hell for it....

Just not sure about the 4ms response rate.....not sure if that will actually be enough.

problem is the 4ms is grey to grey, and for sharper color transitions the times can actually approach 20-30ms if you have 4ms g2g IIRC. When you're refreshing every 6.95ms, that's a much bigger deal than when you're refreshing every 16.67ms.; it would mean four frames of bleedthrough instead of 1.5. Ideally for ULMB, you'd have transitions fast enough to allow for strobing the backlight after a considerable but still short delay, and only catching one frame outside of all but the most extreme transitions
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What problems?
I am thinking of getting the current tn 1440p swift.

go on the official thread of the swift, there is like 30 billions problem with it because of really bad QA. Some took 3-5 try before getting one that was not complete garbage.
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problem is the 4ms is grey to grey, and for sharper color transitions the times can actually approach 20-30ms if you have 4ms g2g IIRC. When you're refreshing every 6.95ms, that's a much bigger deal than when you're refreshing every 16.67ms.; it would mean four frames of bleedthrough instead of 1.5. Ideally for ULMB, you'd have transitions fast enough to allow for strobing the backlight after a considerable but still short delay, and only catching one frame outside of all but the most extreme transitions

The overall picture that you and the others are missing is that.....

"The response time printed on the box of a display doesn't mean jack!"

You can grab any display off the shelf anymore and test times and find they are completely and utterly different than what the manufacturer claims. Response times are like Contract numbers, while the unit they represent is important, the actual unit being displayed doesn't mean beans due to lack of standards for testing.
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go on the official thread of the swift, there is like 30 billions problem with it because of really bad QA. Some took 3-5 try before getting one that was not complete garbage.

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Yea, the Swift launch wasn't too fantastic by any means. While I never managed to get one (thank God I suppose), a lot of people did have issues with them initially.
    
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post #314 of 1416
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You´re kidding, right? How bout you read up on a few threads....like the owners thread and head over to the official ROG Forums and check the Monitor Section...
Honestly, that ASUS Swift is the worst piece of crap offered for a premium price. RMA is the worst you can get (honestly) and the quality of the Monitor is so terrible that I was close to sue the crap out of ASUS.
I had pretty much everything this Monitor could have. I work for one of the largest distributors in Germany - sadly that didn´t make it easier for me. The RMA rate on this Monitor ist double digit - that should say enough.
There are a few out there with working panels....I had to replace the monitor 3 times - just to get a working one and after 2 weeks it ceased working and then RMA hell started - just read at the ROG forums...several others had the same issues.

Anyway, I have yet to hear horror stories from the ACER 4k Gsync one, so I am quite positive that this one will be better than the ASUS one. If it just weren´t for the 4ms....not sure if that will make a difference.

You don't need to get angry.
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I owned a Swift and can say with utter certainty that it is crap. This is a good year for monitors and patience will be a virtue.
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go on the official thread of the swift, there is like 30 billions problem with it because of really bad QA. Some took 3-5 try before getting one that was not complete garbage.

So, Asus rog swift is off the parts list.
Also any asus product will be assumed to have terrible quality until proven otherwise.

So, Which cheap panel that is 120 hz+ and with ulmb (ulmb like feature) and with good colors?
I will need one until those panels are released.
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post #315 of 1416
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What problems?
I am thinking of getting the current tn 1440p swift.

I have the swift and haven't had any issues with it....aside from it not being IPS of course

It must be said that there may have been some who had problems with theirs initially but there all also many who absolutely love it as well

And swift still holds the title of the "fastest"

I'm currently torn between my swift and this acer
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1440p on the low end? Drinking the 4 and 5K coolaid much. Modern programs and OS won't even scale properly, unless you like looking at miniature interface. Maybe Windows 10 offers better scaling, but it's gonna be a while until 4 and 5K become the norm on gaming rigs. 110 pixel density isn't retina, but as far as your graphic card is concerned it is plenty. Also 4K content doesn't really exist yet besides a few YouTube videos maybe. Try watching a 1080p video on your 4K monitor...

I don't care what Photoshop looks like. I have a 24" 4K and Windows 8.1 scales fine, so does a properly configured Chrome. With 109 PPI of 1440P 27" at a normal viewing distance you can clearly see individual pixels. I also don't watch 1080P videos on my 4K monitor, watching videos/movies is what a home theater is for.

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Acer are quoting a 4ms grey to grey response time, which is neither here nor there. It tells you nothing about the spread of response time nor how things would be implemented when ULMB is used. ULMB on all current G-SYNC monitors involves the use of highly aggressive pixel overdrive, which does have some unwanted consequences. You can actually get away with aggressive pixel overdrive to a greater extent when there is strobing to hide some of the resulting artifacts. Furthermore, ULMB has been confirmed by Nvidia on that monitor.

If Eizo can do a really decent job of strobing on the FG2421 with a VA panel, don't see why it would be so hard with IPS.
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I don't care what Photoshop looks like. I have a 24" 4K and Windows 8.1 scales fine, so does a properly configured Chrome. With 109 PPI of 1440P 27" at a normal viewing distance you can clearly see individual pixels. I also don't watch 1080P videos on my 4K monitor, watching videos/movies is what a home theater is for.

Define normal viewing distance.

I sit ~36" from my display, and I can not (with my "amazing" eyes) see individual pixels. Maybe at 12" from display you could, but I wouldn't consider 12" normal. Then again; define "normal".
    
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Define normal viewing distance.

I sit ~36" from my display, and I can not (with my "amazing" eyes) see individual pixels. Maybe at 12" from display you could, but I wouldn't consider 12" normal. Then again; define "normal".

I sit about 20-30" from my ~92ppi display and can somewhat easily make out individual rows of pixels etc. Aliasing is extremely obvious and often requires downsampling from 4k or using ~4xmsaa to cover it up to the point where shimmering from temporal aliasing is not very annoying during gameplay

Look at this, it's a good test for comparing on displays of different PPI.

http://www.testufo.com/#test=aliasing-visibility&foreground=FFFFFF&background=000000&antialiasing=0&thickness=1

The size of your display does not matter, only the viewing distance and PPI. With bigger displays, people tend to view from further away which helps; but on a 40" 100 ppi screen and a 20" 100 ppi screen, if you viewed them both from 30" they would look the same.
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I don't really understand why people value PPI so much, it's also affected by viewing distance. 100 PPI at 2 feet distance would look like it has the same density as 200 PPI at 1 feet distance.
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Can someone explain what is AA?
Cause when people talk about it, it feels like AA divides physical pixels into smaller pixels! redface.gif




Edit : Understanding Sub-Pixel (LCD Screen) Anti-Aliased Font Rendering
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