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let me rephrase my previous statement: in most cases (their witty remark, dialogues, logic and so on) show psychological traits I don't fancy much, but I am not questioning the depth of their fictional role - on the contrary - I am praising the devs for being convincing in portraing self-centered and childish characters.
Surprisingly enough, I don't agree with the motives that drive Leliana or Wynne into joining my cause (they are dreamers, in my eyes both ingame and outside of it) but they are depicted with such awareness, selfless devotion and inner strenght worth my hat being tipped off.
Since they have a much more advanced mindset, their evolution seems "inferior", only because there is more difference between 0 and 1 than between 1 and 1 million.
Take Wynne, immediately after the Nature of The Beast you can talk with her and
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she will thank you for showing her a new point of view she never have even thought about: an abomination that doesn't do abominable things but instead is more human than most humans...is not an abomination anymore despite technically being one
since you've proven your knowledge on this saga and I value your insight, how do you consider DA:Inquisition?
this is a bold statement biggrin.gif I'd be rather happy if this were the case.... smile.gif

Oh I know what you were saying. Morrigan is very easy to dislike. Alistair isn't hard to dislike either. I was just pointing out how great a job BioWare did with these characters.

Inquisition has very much the same feel as Origins as far as storytelling goes. The biggest difference is its enormous scale, it's larger than most open world games. The artistic design throughout the world is incredible, but it lacks quest content and the type of detail Bethesda provides in their open worlds. So if you explore too much, you might find it detracts from the experience.

Gameplay is dumbed down compared to Origins. The tactics system is GREATLY dumbed down (Origins' tactics is the best thing ever, all it needs is separate fundamental AI programming like Neverwinter Nights 2 to be perfect in that regard), there's this dumb system in which you can only use eight abilities at once (imagine DA:O's quickbar being limited to 8 slots, same thing), it has even less spells and abilities, and it's a lot more unbalanced. It's still decently fun gameplay I think, but a far cry from Origins let alone the Neverwinter Nights games. But Inquisition has cool micromanagement like the war table and the management over the hub "Skyhold."

Inquisition also has a far more painfully generic antagonist that adds nothing to the game, while Loghain is actually a respectable character. In short, Inquisition is bigger and more ambitious, but more ambition leads to more room for error and it shows that here. Somewhat dumbed down gameplay although not nearly as dumbed down as other mainstream RPGs, a bit more flawed, but still an excellent game with even better overall character development. If you want combat to feel more like DA:O, use the "tactical camera" all the time, it's a great addition and I even use a nearly identical camera when playing the Neverwinter Nights games.

Dragon Age 2 is respectable for abandoning the "save the world" emphasis, but man the game is pretty bad... worth trying though.
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about Inquisition: can you still fight and get exp/loot out of quests? not having quests -for me- is not the end of the world.

Although I like the concept behind "Tactics" slots, unfortunately -for me- they don't deliver. It dramatically lacks the "and/else/or/if" combo, my companions often get stuck into stupid loops being an hindrance to my battle plan rather than supporting it, I am more efficient leaving the tactics empty and micro managing all the members. But micro managing is a chore.
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about Inquisition: can you still fight and get exp/loot out of quests? not having quests -for me- is not the end of the world.

Of course, by lacking quest content I mean lacking compared to something like Skyrim.
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Although I like the concept behind "Tactics" slots, unfortunately -for me- they don't deliver. It dramatically lacks the "and/else/or/if" combo, my companions often get stuck into stupid loops being an hindrance to my battle plan rather than supporting it, I am more efficient leaving the tactics empty and micro managing all the members. But micro managing is a chore.

I use AI tactics and micro managing. Like you I also don't like making party members completely inert and micromanaging them entirely. That stuff belongs only in turn-based games.

I've probably said it multiple times already, but after playing the DA franchise you need to play Neverwinter Nights 2 and all expansions. DA is decent training for them. thumb.gif
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Of course, by lacking quest content I mean lacking compared to something like Skyrim.
well then, I believe there won't be any problem, Skyrim has a completely different approach (and that's ok)
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I use AI tactics and micro managing. Like you I also don't like making party members completely inert and micromanaging them entirely. That stuff belongs only in turn-based games.
agree. Is there any mod that fixes the poor AI tactics thingie?
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I've probably said it multiple times already, but after playing the DA franchise you need to play Neverwinter Nights 2 and all expansions. DA is decent training for them. thumb.gif
I may actually do that... xD
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well then, I believe there won't be any problem, Skyrim has a completely different approach (and that's ok)
agree. Is there any mod that fixes the poor AI tactics thingie?
I may actually do that... xD

I doubt there's a mod that adds new functionality to DA:O's tactics system. You can check Nexus but that seems a bit complicated unless it was an engine like UE4.

Did I mention that Neverwinter Nights 2 and Mask of the Betrayer are very similar in design to DA:O (same RPG approach), but have more role-playing (especially MotB) and far more gameplay elements (15 classes, 24 prestige classes, 27 skills, over 400 feats, and over 400 spells)? Mask of the Betrayer also has a much, much better story not only than Dragon Age but better than everything not named Planescape: Torment in my opinion. Then there's NWN 2: Storm of Zehir, which has more role-playing than every other create-your-party type RPG I've played, and just an incredible overall design with lots of excellent micromanaging (managing a trade company, which can become more along the lines of a trade empire with your guidance).
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then that probability is quite high xDDD

now back to DAO: I just discovered the existence of new spells/talents scattered around the world..... how do I collect them all??? (the two I got are indeed awesome spells but should I consider them from a strict "ingame perspective", they should've been restricted to blood mages, feels quite unnatural to access them before getting the specialization)
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then that probability is quite high xDDD

now back to DAO: I just discovered the existence of new spells/talents scattered around the world..... how do I collect them all??? (the two I got are indeed awesome spells but should I consider them from a strict "ingame perspective", they should've been restricted to blood mages, feels quite unnatural to access them before getting the specialization)

Can you elaborate on what exactly you found? I believe what you're describing is all scripted and quest-related.
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Can you elaborate on what exactly you found? I believe what you're describing is all scripted and quest-related.
well sure it is in this case
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soldier's peak quest gives you the possibility to drink from a flask and adds you two bloodmage spells, that you can actually use without being a bloodmage, while I appreciate having two more spells for free, it kinda ruins the whole choice/consequence mechanicsm

and also in the manual (yup, believe it or not I read the whole manual!) it states that many spells and talent are hidden everywhere in the world, so I think the question is legit....but do I have to rely solely on "luck"?
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well sure it is in this case
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soldier's peak quest gives you the possibility to drink from a flask and adds you two bloodmage spells, that you can actually use without being a bloodmage, while I appreciate having two more spells for free, it kinda ruins the whole choice/consequence mechanicsm

and also in the manual (yup, believe it or not I read the whole manual!) it states that many spells and talent are hidden everywhere in the world, so I think the question is legit....but do I have to rely solely on "luck"?

You have to rely on exploration and interacting with stuff for sure. At least the one you described was pretty much right in your face. There's one that's kind of just tucked away in a corner in a map. The amount of hidden things in DA:O, including hidden quests, is astounding. I've accepted there's some I won't ever find. To put it in perspective without spoiling anything, it's possible to summon a dragon within Orzammar's Royal Palace (and this isn't even a hostile area in the game). Doing this is totally optional and hidden. Read everything you find...
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I am not sure it was wise for developers to lock all unfinished quests this abruptly :\
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for example, if I had known that Lotherin was about to be completely destroyed, I would've finished all the quests there before moving on -_____-
same for the Magi Tower ecc, there is no way for a first playthrough to know these things...
this frustrates me because it doesn't allow me to exp as much as I want, and prevents me to getting better loot.


anyway, since there is not a system to discern failed quests (and why they failed) from fairly doable ones, everything is simply mixed up in a messy "order", I've resigned myself into going to Redcliffe aaaaand
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wow, talk about major plot turning point. Nice move Alistair, nice move...
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