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Your viewpoint , though it differs from mine, is equally valid.

I do think that you would have had a better experience with the FX if it had a better supporting cast, the M597, the 4- 12 volt 18 amp per rail psu and cooling denied it the chance to reach it's full potential.

It tends to be the case with AMD owners, typically being more budget minded they choose the garden variety 7970 instead of the Lightning or the 970 chipset motherboard with 4 phase power delivery rather than the 8+ phase 990FX, and probably the biggest culprit, mismatched or (poorly tuned) ram and are disappointed when it doesn't keep up with some of the scores posted in forums such as these.

Edit: Easy there Fears, don't want anything to get out of hand ok? Thank you smile.gif
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Okay it's already happening.... come on guys, keep it cool!! thumb.gif

We are all smart enough to see where AMD shines, and where they fall short....
We all know what the two options cost and the benefits of both...... we most importantly, should all very much enjoy seeing the results of cssorkinman's tests.....

Not for the sake of argument, but for the sake of sharing my personal experience; I add the following:

I would first like to say that I could extend this information in another thread with real numbers at some point if anyone even cartes, but am just summarizing things here for the sake of not hijacking this thread, or getting too far off topic

I have personally ran games on my brother's i7 3820 @ 4.4GHz (DDR3 2133 Quad channel) with a 7950 running @ 1100/1800
I have also played the same titles on my x6 @ 4GHz using his card, and also using my previous 280x @ 1250/1800,
and am now currently using my 290 @ 1100/1500......

Over some beers and boredom one night, we decided to swap his 7950 for my 280x to note any differences, and we hit the ground running with multiple tests from there..
We also recently did the same thing with the 290 I am using now.
In every case, playing Crysis 3, using 1080P max details (2X MSAA was used to represent a fairly heavy GPU load, but to also allow playable framerates on all cards as 4x MSAA on the 7950 was not very playable, and the 280x even had dips in the 30's, it was again used on the 290 for comparison's sake).
Without question, the better playing experience was always on whatever system had the better GPU, and the difference in framerates between the two systems with the same card,
was within 4%.

Even the overclocked 280x on the x6 system delivered a better gameplay experience than the marginally slower OC'd 7950 on the i7 system, showing that in almost any case where a single GPU is used, the differences in actual gaming results will be very minute.

I just wanted to add this to the discussion since some others had chimed in with their experiences pertaining to GPU performance.
The experience I have had, has very much mirrored the results cssorkin has found with the newer FX8*** and i7 47** CPU's he is testing.

We did not go into testing lower resolutions or lower detail settings, because we both knew that the i7 would have put up 20-30% higher framerates at that point.
I am also fully aware that in many other working tests, the x6 would of been the mop, and the i7 would have been Cinderella..... Dual GPU would have also favored the intel system.

It just further proves that intel and AMD both have their market segments, and both have pros and cons. These things CAN and SHOULD be kept objective, and there is no need for arguments.

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Your viewpoint , though it differs from mine, is equally valid.

I do think that you would have had a better experience with the FX if it had a better supporting cast, the M597, the 4- 12 volt 18 amp per rail psu and cooling denied it the chance to reach it's full potential.

It tends to be the case with AMD owners, typically being more budget minded they choose the garden variety 7970 instead of the Lightning or the 970 chipset motherboard with 4 phase power delivery rather than the 8+ phase 990FX, and probably the biggest culprit, mismatched or (poorly tuned) ram and are disappointed when it doesn't keep up with some of the scores posted in forums such as these.

Yeah, the fine tuning is important on any board, that's why I went with a 6+2 phase board over a 4+2 and stayed with 4.3-4.5ghz while trying a variety of ram timings/speeds with utmost care to not starve my cpu's IMC for voltage. But yeah, it's true that the 'full potential' is more around 4.6-4.8 for everyday clocks. Just didn't see it go from 70fps min to 100fps min by going up 0.3ghz, and that was my main concern with upgrading, not that I couldn't hit 60fps constant. For that the FX never disappointed me!

I don't mind if it's not that interesting to you to hit 60fps most of the time though, still good work and interesting benches.
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Your viewpoint , though it differs from mine, is equally valid.

I do think that you would have had a better experience with the FX if it had a better supporting cast, the M597, the 4- 12 volt 18 amp per rail psu and cooling denied it the chance to reach it's full potential.

It tends to be the case with AMD owners, typically being more budget minded they choose the garden variety 7970 instead of the Lightning or the 970 chipset motherboard with 4 phase power delivery rather than the 8+ phase 990FX, and probably the biggest culprit, mismatched or (poorly tuned) ram and are disappointed when it doesn't keep up with some of the scores posted in forums such as these.

Yeah, the fine tuning is important on any board, that's why I went with a 6+2 phase board over a 4+2 and stayed with 4.3-4.5ghz while trying a variety of ram timings/speeds with utmost care to not starve my cpu's IMC for voltage. But yeah, it's true that the 'full potential' is more around 4.6-4.8 for everyday clocks. Just didn't see it go from 70fps min to 100fps min by going up 0.3ghz, and that was my main concern with upgrading, not that I couldn't hit 60fps constant. For that the FX never disappointed me!

I don't mind if it's not that interesting to you to hit 60fps most of the time though, still good work and interesting benches.

Quite the contrary to be honest, it's very important to me to maintain close to a 60 fps average , but if you are averaging 80 + with graphics settings as high as they go, there isn't much point in turning down the eye candy , is there?
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Quite the contrary to be honest, it's very important to me to maintain close to a 60 fps average , but if you are averaging 80 + with graphics settings as high as they go, there isn't much point in turning down the eye candy , is there?

Just as I see it!
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Quite the contrary to be honest, it's very important to me to maintain close to a 60 fps average , but if you are averaging 80 + with graphics settings as high as they go, there isn't much point in turning down the eye candy , is there?

This is why I raised questions,, just watch as he will argue in his very skewed narrow view that really only pertains to him
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Updated post #2 with benchmark scores from the 4790K/290X rig.
EDIT :Just for Tivan 1024x768 tongue.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Edited by cssorkinman - 1/8/15 at 3:35pm
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Added 3Dmark results using simulated 9590/780TI at stock speeds - more to come smile.gif
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Updated post #2 with benchmark scores from the 4790K/290X rig.
EDIT :Just for Tivan 1024x768 tongue.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Nice run thumb.gif

Could probably run that game vsync stable on 100 or 120 with some upped settings as well on the system! And easy stable 60+ for AMD/High end laptop, too. (edit) And of course not shooting for 100 means more room for eyecandy, too. (edit: Also follows the pattern I experienced in games I play myself~ but again, I'm no MMO/RTS guy, so I can't talk about that.)
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Added a Metro 2033 run with a simulated 9590/780TI to the second post. smile.gif
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