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If FreeSync works out, I don't see Nvidia not supporting it for very long.

FreeSync is supported by 90% of the manufacturers...why wouldn't it work?
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FreeSync is supported by 90% of the manufacturers...why wouldn't it work?

Why wouldn't it work? Clarity on this for you....

First, there are officially 5 manufacturers supporting FreeSync, which is far from 90%. http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2002910

Second, what we are calling FreeSync is a combination of technologies, which needs to be supported at both ends to function. If FreeSync itself sucks and is substantially inferior to G-Sync, then it won't survive. Additional manufacturers won't adopt it, and it will just die in a corner. In other words, adoption for FreeSync is still currently very low, and since it is still unproven on every level, there is plenty chance for it to fail.

Based off what I could tell in the previously shared 1080P 60 FPS video on Youtube, it looks very promising. I have a lot of hopes for it at this point, but damn we need those reviews!
    
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Why wouldn't it work? Clarity on this for you....

First, there are officially 5 manufacturers supporting FreeSync, which is far from 90%. http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2002910

Second, what we are calling FreeSync is a combination of technologies, which needs to be supported at both ends to function. If FreeSync itself sucks and is substantially inferior to G-Sync, then it won't survive. Additional manufacturers won't adopt it, and it will just die in a corner. In other words, adoption for FreeSync is still currently very low, and since it is still unproven on every level, there is plenty chance for it to fail.

Based off what I could tell in the previously shared 1080P 60 FPS video on Youtube, it looks very promising. I have a lot of hopes for it at this point, but damn we need those reviews!

What your saying doesn't make any sense, surely Manufactures have compared both technologies. They have tested Adaptive V-Sync and have applied the technology as such, they wont just pop in something that's hasn't been through testing. It could be that G-Sync is inferior to FreeSync, in any case both technologies eliminate tearing and stutter that's what they are designed to do.

G-Sync has been out for a year now, do you have any information about sales or adoption rates?
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How hard can that really be?
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What your saying doesn't make any sense, surely Manufactures have compared both technologies. They have tested Adaptive V-Sync and have applied the technology as such, they wont just pop in something that's hasn't been through testing. It could be that G-Sync is inferior to FreeSync, in any case both technologies eliminate tearing and stutter that's what they are designed to do.

G-Sync has been out for a year now, do you have any information about sales or adoption rates?

What I am saying makes perfect sense, here is why....

Manufacturers are adopting this for one reason and one reason only, they think it will help them sell more units and it costs them next to nothing to do it. In fact Peter Nixeus (www.nixeus.com) was on here yesterday stating that as long as the firmware is updated on the panels at manufacturing, it costs him ZERO dollars to add it to a display. In other words; the display manufacturers see something that may help them sell more units that costs them nothing to try.

If it works, then mass adoption should happen, if it doesn't, then they aren't going to push it and it will die. The decision to support it now doesn't have anything to do with comparing G-Sync to FreeSync, but money - the bottom line is what they are looking at. Now, since you did bring up the comparison of the two, the technique being used here isn't new. Nvidia knew about this method, and evidence leads us to believe they actually tried it. Nvidia already stated they tried resolving the sync issue with other methods, and those methods didn't perform as well as what they ended up with.

While both technologies are trying to accomplish the same thing, they are doing it differently. So again, adoption of FreeSync is still limited, and performance isn't proven yet. We need that to happen, should be soon. If it does end up performing as well or closely to G-Sync, then it will take off.

This all comes down to how well FreeSync performs, and nothing else at this point. That 60 FPS video looked good, it looked promising. When FreeSync was turned on there was an immediate impact. However, closed environment, so we have to hold back the excitement - third party validation is next!

EDIT:

Something else I forgot to mention is the user base for this technology. Outside of gaming there is little benefit for these specific technologies; video is a fixed frame rate, and mobile already has a similar technology (that FreeSync is somewhat based on) for power saving. For these to survive they need to be good, G-Sync has shown to be a game changer, FreeSync needs to do almost as well I think.

You also mentioned manufacturers comparing technology; maybe. If they did, then hopefully what they seen was that it worked well enough that it will be adopted. At the same time, they simply could have looked at the bottom line as I suggested above. Going to a manufacturer and saying "Hey, you can do this for free, and get a bunch of advertising out of it." isn't that hard.
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I agree monitor vendors will simply pick it up for no cost and sell it to gain sales no matter if it works or not.

That said why limit your monitor to 40Hz on the lower end if you could go down to 30 or even lower if the objective is "sell as much as possible before anyone notices it doesn't work very well"?

You're putting yourself at a disadvantage that way.

Anyway, nice to see some monitors and see it not failing directly. (Not saying it's a success already or it will fail either, we'll see...)
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I think I'm sold on freesync, I don't need anything complicated. Looks like a 390x and a 4k freesync monitor is in my feature. Or i might pickup that Asus IPS 120hz if it does work with freesync.
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I think I'm sold on freesync, I don't need anything complicated. Looks like a 390x and a 4k freesync monitor is in my feature. Or i might pickup that Asus IPS 120hz if it does work with freesync.
It's a big step forward, but we still need input lag testing on each of the new monitors, and some testing of the edge cases for AMD's drivers.
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Excited for possible power savings. And I'm looking forward to seeing AMD make an alternative to Intel's pre processing where backlight is turned down and this is compensated for in image brightness.
I'm excited for 2015 but I hate the fact that AMD promised Carrizo and just showed a plastic notebook and no numbers mad.gif

I hope Freesync flashed monitors roll out soon very soon. As in a few months from now.
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