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AMD has been saying a lot when it comes to FreeSync. Talk is cheap. If I see tearing, I'm chalking it up to poor implementation on AMD's part until they show me otherwise. After missing their own 2014 holiday deadline, AMD is in Missouri when it comes to me and FreeSync. The Show Me State. I literally do not care what the AMD reps say any more. I can no longer trust their words. They have been caught in a marketing lie. I can only trust what I can see their products doing, and I see a tear. AMD's excuse does not matter. They should have thought of that before damaging their reputation by promising the sky and not delivering.
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AMD has been saying a lot when it comes to FreeSync. Talk is cheap. If I see tearing, I'm chalking it up to poor implementation on AMD's part until they show me otherwise. After missing their own 2014 holiday deadline, AMD is in Missouri when it comes to me and FreeSync. The Show Me State. I literally do not care what the AMD reps say any more. I can no longer trust their words. They have been caught in a marketing lie. I can only trust what I can see their products doing, and I see a tear. AMD's excuse does not matter. They should have thought of that before damaging their reputation by promising the sky and not delivering.
It gives you an option outside the VRR window of the monitor to run v sync on which means no tearing but a little bit of latency or v sync off no latency but a bit of tearing. You get to choose, whats not to like?
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IMO, looking good.

Some Nvidia fanboys here having some issues I guess.
I'm an AMD fanboi, and buy them over NVidia (I plug my nose and buy Intel). Bad behavior is bad behavior, even when it is done by a company I like.
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It gives you an option outside the VRR window of the monitor to run v sync on which means no tearing but a little bit of latency or v sync off no latency but a bit of tearing. You get to choose, whats not to like?
The tearing. G-Sync doesn't have it. Why should FreeSync?
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AMD has been saying a lot when it comes to FreeSync. Talk is cheap. If I see tearing, I'm chalking it up to poor implementation on AMD's part until they show me otherwise. After missing their own 2014 holiday deadline, AMD is in Missouri when it comes to me and FreeSync. The Show Me State. I literally do not care what the AMD reps say any more. I can no longer trust their words. They have been caught in a marketing lie. I can only trust what I can see their products doing, and I see a tear. AMD's excuse does not matter. They should have thought of that before damaging their reputation by promising the sky and not delivering.
You should read and understand the tech before you talk. AMD delivered what they said, that tear below the VRR can be taken care of by vsync.

I'm speculating that they could write something in the drivers to smooth out the VRR edge by reading the monitors EDID and apply something special without using vysnc if they had to.

I just wonder what will happen when users start editing the EDIDs on their own?
Edited by dir_d - 1/9/15 at 4:54pm
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You should read and understand the tech before you talk. AMD delivered what they said, that tear below the VRR can be taken care of by vsync.

I'm speculating that they could write something in the drivers to smooth out the VRR edge by reading the monitors EDID and apply something special without using vysnc if they had to.

I just wonder what will happen when users start editing the EDIDs on their own?
They said FreeSync would be on the market in time for the 2014 holidays. How did they deliver? They said it would compete with G-Sync. It doesn't even cover the same fps range. It has twice the latency of G-Sync (roughly 2 ms vs. roughly 4 ms). It doesn't compete on any benchmark, except maybe on price. I want performance, not a Band-Aid.
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oh god. you didnt even watch what he said after that. its the panel and monitor itself not async... freesync can go down to 9hz if the monitor supports this. this is know for days.

No kidding it's a limitation by the monitor manufacturer. What I'm saying is Freesync behavior is different from G-sync behavior when it drops below the lower fps limitation. G-sync starts to duplicate frames while freesync just lets the tears through. G-sync frame duplication of frames is not vsync.
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AMD has been saying a lot when it comes to FreeSync. Talk is cheap. If I see tearing, I'm chalking it up to poor implementation on AMD's part until they show me otherwise. After missing their own 2014 holiday deadline, AMD is in Missouri when it comes to me and FreeSync. The Show Me State. I literally do not care what the AMD reps say any more. I can no longer trust their words. They have been caught in a marketing lie. I can only trust what I can see their products doing, and I see a tear. AMD's excuse does not matter. They should have thought of that before damaging their reputation by promising the sky and not delivering.
You should read and understand the tech before you talk. AMD delivered what they said, that tear below the VRR can be taken care of by vsync.

I'm speculating that they could write something in the drivers to smooth out the VRR edge by reading the monitors EDID and apply something special without using vysnc if they had to.

I just wonder what will happen when users start editing the EDIDs on their own?

What happens when a 60hz monitor dips below 30hz? Vsync is unable to do anything about frames less than 30hz. It's no good when it comes to fixing tears.
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They said FreeSync would be on the market in time for the 2014 holidays. How did they deliver? They said it would compete with G-Sync. It doesn't even cover the same fps range. It has twice the latency of G-Sync (roughly 2 ms vs. roughly 4 ms). It doesn't compete on any benchmark, except maybe on price. I want performance, not a Band-Aid.
Set backs do happen, I'm glad they pushed it back. The fps range is dependent on the monitor not freesync it self. Look at the the 8 bit TN that essentially the SWIFT. Its VRR is 30-144 fps. I'm not sure where you got latency numbers from and I would like you to post your source on that please. Right now freesync is comparable, not better but gets the job done in the same matter as gsync.
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No kidding it's a limitation by the monitor manufacturer. What I'm saying is Freesync behavior is different from G-sync behavior when it drops below the lower fps limitation. G-sync starts to duplicate frames while freesync just lets the tears through. G-sync frame duplication of frames is not vsync.

You know tearing is better then duplication in response time right? It all back to Latency vs Image. You can do either method. Nvidia chose Image. If you are duplicating frames with G-Sync time to lower game settings.
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