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Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post

G-sync or FreeSync need to be a cheap feature in almost all montors sold, not a keystone feature in a "gaming" monitor that jacks up the price. This technology isn't advanced or anything, it's just a matter of settling on ONE standard.

As far as playability goes, it's both screen tearing and sudden fps drops that really detract from the experience.

In some demanding games, I underdrive my monitor to 48Hz or 50Hz and just enable adaptive v-sync. It plays much better than stuttering, normal v-sync when the fps dips and screen tearing.


Which leaves just one solution; ASync. Gsync cannot and never will be a standard. VESA has the standard in place, and monitor manufacturers are adopting it.
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Originally Posted by TranquilTempest View Post

Because you value input lag and tear elimination over eye candy?
You can value both if you ho AMD thumb.gif
I think he has a point.
  1. Vsync
  2. Gsync
While a vsync'ed monitor can only eliminate motion stutter within animation only at the divisor frame rates of its panel's frame rate, a gsync one can pace in a wider range of animation since it provides panel pacing - though, that is supposedly what freesync can also do, so the argument is redundant, imo.
Edited by mtcn77 - 1/11/15 at 10:47am
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In theory yes but in practice no. Why would you buy a $600 + G-Sync monitor for you $170 GPU?

Because it beats spending $500 on a FreeSync display (Just using your math and AMD's math of being $100 cheaper than G-Sync) and ~$300 on a new AMD GPU to support it, because only a few AMD cards actually do.
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You can value both if you ho AMD thumb.gif

So long as you buy a new monitor and a new card for many AMD users.

I find it completely laughable you can come into all these threads and attempt to tear down and make fun of the cost of G-Sync. Yet you completely ignore the fact that only a handful of AMD cards support Freesync. Creating a situation for the "FreeSync" users of having to purchase both a new GPU and display.

Here, let's count the ways....

FreeSync Supported GPUs:

  • R9 295x2
  • R9 290X
  • R9 290
  • R9 285
  • R7 260X
  • R7 260


*Excluding APUs

G-Sync on the other hand is supported by......

  • GTX Titan Z
  • GTX Titan
  • GTX 980
  • GTX 970
  • GTX 960 - Upcoming GPU.
  • GTX 780 Ti
  • GTX 780
  • GTX 770
  • GTX 760
  • GTX 750 Ti
  • GTX 750
  • GTX 745 (OEM Card)
  • GTX 690
  • GTX 680
  • GTX 670
  • GTX 660 Ti
  • GTX 660
  • GTX 650 Ti Boost

Not to mention that a total of 7 FreeSync displays have only been announced, none are available yet, while we have at least 7 G-Sync displays on the market already with just as many in the pipe. The real "value" and far more widely supported option is G-Sync.

It is cool and all that you are excited for FreeSync, but you run around these threads just talking out the brown hole spreading misinformation. I have personally corrected you several times, and you keep doing it. It doesn't help anyone, and only makes you look really silly. If you want to hate on G-Sync or Nvidia, or CareBears, then be my guest - there is plenty of factual things to poke at, you don't need to make stuff up.

Both "camps" put their foot in their mouths enough to give us plenty of ammo as is.

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles View Post

Which leaves just one solution; ASync. Gsync cannot and never will be a standard. VESA has the standard in place, and monitor manufacturers are adopting it.

WRONG!

FreeSync is not an open standard, it simply takes advantage of an optional feature within an open standard - the DP 1.2a Standard. Adaptive Sync is that feature in that standard, that is optional, FreeSync is the AMD proprietary usage of that. FreeSync is not an open standard!

Oh, and there is literally nothing stopping Nvidia from utilizing Adaptive Sync in their hardware, literally none. In fact Nvidia has used it in the past with mobile devices to a degree, just like any mobile company. What AMD is doing isn't some big new secret in the panel world. Unfortunately it has just taken forever to make its way to desktop in the implementation that we have it, which is "better" than the mobile usage.

The reason they went the module route was for "performance" reasons, what that means only time is going to tell us now. More specifically the independent third party reviews of FreeSync and how it functions will tell us.
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In theory yes but in practice no. Why would you buy a $600 + G-Sync monitor for you $170 GPU?

Because you need a new monitor anyway? And that same argument can be made for Freesync monitors - why would you spend $500+ for a Freesync monitor for your $170 GPU?

At some point you are buying a new monitor, and you're going to make the decision based on many factors, one of which may be Gsync/Freesync.
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

A variety of places, depending on how you want to look at the data, for discrete video, embedded, etc.

(PR) Big Swing in Market Share From AMD to NVIDIA: JPR

Here is Q4 2013, before nVidia made their big move, when they only had 64.9% of the "add in board" marketshare.

Add-in board market up in Q4, Nvidia gains market share


Here is the Q3 2014 numbers, before their huge GTX 900 offering hit ... 71.5% of the market for add-in-boards.

Add-in board market up in Q3, Nvidia increases market share lead


Once the Q4 2014 numbers are posted, I honestly could see nVidia holding about a 78% to 80% market share. The GTX 900's were THAT big of a deal.

SHIPMENTS in that quarter, I remember the last time this statistic was thrown around.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1530716/chiphell-wccftech-nvidia-gm200-titan-2-amd-fiji-380x-and-bermuda-390x-benchmarks-leaked/210#post_23298282
    
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The list of cards that support each sync tech is meaningless. NV's list represents 2 arch's. AMD supports freesync on Hawaii, Tonga and Bonaire. Oh, would you look at that... that adds up to 3. redface.gif So does GCN 1.1, 1.2 and 2.0.

By the time the general gaming public even hear about freesync in the Metro (UK free newspaper) or poodeepie or wherever they get their news, AMD will have a complete refresh of their lineup on all pricepoints and they'll likely all have full sync support.
Edited by Orangey - 1/11/15 at 11:36am
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Because you need a new monitor anyway? And that same argument can be made for Freesync monitors - why would you spend $500+ for a Freesync monitor for your $170 GPU?

At some point you are buying a new monitor, and you're going to make the decision based on many factors, one of which may be Gsync/Freesync.

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Because it beats spending $500 on a FreeSync display (Just using your math and AMD's math of being $100 cheaper than G-Sync) and ~$300 on a new AMD GPU to support it, because only a few AMD cards actually do.
So long as you buy a new monitor and a new card for many AMD users.

I find it completely laughable you can come into all these threads and attempt to tear down and make fun of the cost of G-Sync. Yet you completely ignore the fact that only a handful of AMD cards support Freesync. Creating a situation for the "FreeSync" users of having to purchase both a new GPU and display.

Here, let's count the ways....

FreeSync Supported GPUs:

  • R9 295x2
  • R9 290X
  • R9 290
  • R9 285
  • R7 260X
  • R7 260


*Excluding APUs

G-Sync on the other hand is supported by......

  • GTX Titan Z
  • GTX Titan
  • GTX 980
  • GTX 970
  • GTX 960 - Upcoming GPU.
  • GTX 780 Ti
  • GTX 780
  • GTX 770
  • GTX 760
  • GTX 750 Ti
  • GTX 750
  • GTX 745 (OEM Card)
  • GTX 690
  • GTX 680
  • GTX 670
  • GTX 660 Ti
  • GTX 660
  • GTX 650 Ti Boost

Not to mention that a total of 7 FreeSync displays have only been announced, none are available yet, while we have at least 7 G-Sync displays on the market already with just as many in the pipe. The real "value" and far more widely supported option is G-Sync.

It is cool and all that you are excited for FreeSync, but you run around these threads just talking out the brown hole spreading misinformation. I have personally corrected you several times, and you keep doing it. It doesn't help anyone, and only makes you look really silly. If you want to hate on G-Sync or Nvidia, or CareBears, then be my guest - there is plenty of factual things to poke at, you don't need to make stuff up.

Both "camps" put their foot in their mouths enough to give us plenty of ammo as is.
WRONG!

FreeSync is not an open standard, it simply takes advantage of an optional feature within an open standard - the DP 1.2a Standard. Adaptive Sync is that feature in that standard, that is optional, FreeSync is the AMD proprietary usage of that. FreeSync is not an open standard!

Oh, and there is literally nothing stopping Nvidia from utilizing Adaptive Sync in their hardware, literally none. In fact Nvidia has used it in the past with mobile devices to a degree, just like any mobile company. What AMD is doing isn't some big new secret in the panel world. Unfortunately it has just taken forever to make its way to desktop in the implementation that we have it, which is "better" than the mobile usage.

The reason they went the module route was for "performance" reasons, what that means only time is going to tell us now. More specifically the independent third party reviews of FreeSync and how it functions will tell us.

Bingo
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 1/11/15 at 11:46am
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Because you need a new monitor anyway? And that same argument can be made for Freesync monitors - why would you spend $500+ for a Freesync monitor for your $170 GPU?

At some point you are buying a new monitor, and you're going to make the decision based on many factors, one of which may be Gsync/Freesync.

We are talking about right now. My 290 is still top performing card from AMD so i dont have to buy a new GPU. If you have anything less GTX780 in Nvidia's side you need a GPU upgrade before buying G-Sync. That makes the GPU list much smaller.
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The list of cards that support each sync tech is meaningless. NV's list represents 2 arch's. AMD supports freesync on Hawaii, Tonga and Bonaire. Oh, would you look at that... that adds up to 3. redface.gif So does GCN 1.1, 1.2 and 2.0.

By the time the general gaming public even hear about freesync in the Metro (UK free newspaper) or poodeepie or wherever they get their news, AMD will have a complete refresh of their lineup on all pricepoints and they'll likely all have full sync support.

I hope they would get support in their new lineup considering they kind of left all those people in the dust who bought 270's, 270x's, 280's, 280x's. I feel bad for telling my friend to get a 280 over a 760 but at the time the 280 seemed better and I highly doubt he will ever buy a FreeSync/GSYNC monitor.

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We are talking about right now. My 290 is still top performing card from AMD so i dont have to buy a new GPU. If you have anything less GTX780 in Nvidia's side you need a GPU upgrade before buying G-Sync. That makes the GPU list much smaller.

lol. Yes, we need something over a 780 to even use GSYNC, but my 750ti did just fine on my Swift with GSYNC. Oh the ag oh knee.
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We are talking about right now. My 290 is still top performing card from AMD so i dont have to buy a new GPU. If you have anything less GTX780 in Nvidia's side you need a GPU upgrade before buying G-Sync. That makes the GPU list much smaller.

How can you lie like this and still actually feel fine hitting the submit button?

First, the 290 is NOT the top performing card for AMD, it is up there but not top, that would be the 290X. Then again, I feel like this is just splitting hairs, but god only knows with you.

Secondly, it isn't the 780 and up that supports G-Sync, I know you seen the list I put up. Even the 650 Ti Boost, the lowest end GPU that supports G-Sync, does well in gaming at 1080P. Especially on a G-Sync display where you don't have to stay 60+ to have a smooth experience.
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