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I typically think refurbished products is a warrantied device getting repaired then sold again. But doing a half-assed job isn't acceptable.

I'v repaired / sold RROD Xbox 360's that I fixed but I didn't wrap them in a towel or put them in a oven and ridiculous crap. Just removing the X clamps and replacing them with screws like you would do with a PC heatsink or waterblock along with replacing the chalky dry thermal paste with MX4 did the trick most of the time. The ones that people brought back for RROD again I went and added a thin aluminum shim in between the processor and heatsink to apply more pressure and no one reported issues after that.

From my experience, the screw fix is far from permanent. About half the RROD xboxes that come to me for repair have already been previously repaired, and the majority of those use screws and have no signs of even a primitive heatgun reflow, much less a proper reball w/ a BGA rework station.
I can't determine the longevity of this fix for all the consoles, because some of the customers buy them used/get them from friends and have no idea about their history. However, those that have previously brought their console to some other repairman usually report 2-4 weeks of usage before the issue reemerged.
Naturally, much of this has to do with the motherboard revision as well. If it's a Xenon/Zephyr, you can bet your arse the issue's gonna repeat soon; even a proper reball sometimes doesn't hold too long on those (had a few people come back after 4-5 months). Those things draw power and produce heat like crazy. Opus/Falcon boards are much better in that regard.

You'r right quite a few the screws alone fix didn't result in a permanent fix. Like I said that is where the aluminum shim came in. Once I installed those, I didn't hear of any problems again besides one of the systems having a disk drive fail some time later. I still have one of my own with the shim fix and I still use that Xbox today after several years.
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You'r right quite a few the screws alone fix didn't result in a permanent fix. Like I said that is where the aluminum shim came in. Once I installed those, I didn't hear of any problems again besides one of the systems having a disk drive fail some time later. I still have one of my own with the shim fix and I still use that Xbox today after several years.
That might indeed have tipped the scales in your favour... How did you apply it, by the way? Never seen this kind of repair on any that came to our shop, so I'm quite curious. What was the thickness of the shim? How did you apply the thermal paste - 2 layers with the shim sandwiched between them?
     
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Why is MS getting crapped on here for the shady tactics that Gamestop used?
Because some people have a long-standing pathological hatred of all things Microsoft. Usually at the same time that they're happily using their Android phone and getting spied on by Google in far worse ways than Microsoft ever dreamed of.
     
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Why is MS getting crapped on here for the shady tactics that Gamestop used?

The article, if believed, states Gamestop took scrap consoles and did a temporary in-store fix and sold them to unsuspecting people.

MS loses the sale and the temp fix console goes back into the wild only to fail again and make the 360 failure rate even worse than it really was.

Of course, none of this would have happened if MS built the 360 properly to start. wink.gif

I had a launch 360. Eventually rrod. Send it back and got one that developed disc read errors. Send it back and got another that developed disc read errors.

Gave up. Ran out and bought PS3. PS3 died in 2 weeks. I literally had both consoles away for warranty at the same time.

The ones I got back still work to this day.

Maybe because they sold an inherently defective product?

If the RRoD issue never existed in the first place, then Gamestop would never have refurbished them.
 
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Gamestop is still around? Surprised they haven't gone under yet, I guess preying on teenagers with pre orders and giving them next to nothing for trade ins keeps them afloat.
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You'r right quite a few the screws alone fix didn't result in a permanent fix. Like I said that is where the aluminum shim came in. Once I installed those, I didn't hear of any problems again besides one of the systems having a disk drive fail some time later. I still have one of my own with the shim fix and I still use that Xbox today after several years.
That might indeed have tipped the scales in your favour... How did you apply it, by the way? Never seen this kind of repair on any that came to our shop, so I'm quite curious. What was the thickness of the shim? How did you apply the thermal paste - 2 layers with the shim sandwiched between them?

I believe it was .020" thickness. I used aluminum because I had it on hand, but copper would likely work better. You could do something like this with a sheet of copper bought from hardware store or just buy them. LINK

Just put thermal paste on both sides of the shim and make a sandwich between the heatsink and processor like you said. All it does is cause the heat sink to press down on the processor harder and I never saw any failures after that.
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Conspiracy by MS and Gamestop to sell more consoles wink.gif

How does MS sell more consoles through privately traded consoles?
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How does MS sell more consoles through privately traded consoles?
Gamer could buy a new one instead.
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Gamer could buy a new one instead.

It's entirely possible that the person who traded in the scrap console indeed bought a new one.

But for every 360 that was meant to be scrap and fraudulently fixed and sold to someone by Gamestop, MS lost a sale.
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Why is MS getting crapped on here for the shady tactics that Gamestop used?

The article, if believed, states Gamestop took scrap consoles and did a temporary in-store fix and sold them to unsuspecting people.

MS loses the sale and the temp fix console goes back into the wild only to fail again and make the 360 failure rate even worse than it really was.

Of course, none of this would have happened if MS built the 360 properly to start. wink.gif

I had a launch 360. Eventually rrod. Send it back and got one that developed disc read errors. Send it back and got another that developed disc read errors.

Gave up. Ran out and bought PS3. PS3 died in 2 weeks. I literally had both consoles away for warranty at the same time.

The ones I got back still work to this day.

Because MS sold a unfinished rushed product onto customers knowing that it would fail. And im betting that the only reason these people sold these scrap consoles to gamestop was that the console had broken for probably the 4th time and was out of warranty by then.

Even then, if they would have sent that scrap console into microsoft under warranty microsoft would have done the same thing, they dont just throw them away they would not give you a new system they would fix one up and send you a refurbished one as well, just for it to die like a month later since they didnt do a good job fixing them either.

Everyone i know that got a 360 has had like 3 or 4 or more of them
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