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post #31 of 52
I went through 3 new orig 360. The one thats working best and most silently? a MS 2011 Refurb elite from gamestop that was $80 with promo, after transition to ROC if you are buying used there see if your console has a "gamestop warranty" sticker inplace of the OEM. thats a basically-new system
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I went through 3 new orig 360. The one thats working best and most silently? a MS 2011 Refurb elite from gamestop that was $80 with promo, after transition to ROC if you are buying used there see if your console has a "gamestop warranty" sticker inplace of the OEM. thats a basically-new system

I purchased 3 xbox 360's between 2005 and 2009. I had 11 or 12 systems total lol.
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http://wccftech.com/gamestop-sold-refurbished-red-ring-death-xbox-360s-unsuspecting-gamers/
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The dreaded Red Ring of Death is one of the most well known legends of console culture. The three quadrant indicator or RRoD as it’s more affectionately called was the Xbox 360’s way of letting users know of a hardware malfunction, usually irreparable. However, if new reports are to be believed, then GameStop found a way to repair the RRoD and sell the consoles as refurbished. The worst part is, the fix was most probably non-permanent and could have contributed a lot to the high failure rate of the Xbox 360, assuming the report is accurate.

GameStop figured out a way to fix the read ring of death back in 2009 and made a homebrew machine to mass produce the fix. One of the most common reasons for the red ring of death was a connection being broken between the motherboard and the processor. A common fix (that most of you will remember) was one that required a towel – a crude attempt to bake the solder again and reset it, hopefully reconnecting the circuit; which might or might not work. The exact procedure involved wrapping the console in a towel, letting it run for 20 minutes, then letting it cool for another 20 minutes, after which the console will hopefully run.

Since this isn’t something completely reliable, back in 2009, GameStop apparently devised a method in which the top part of the console was heated and the lower part was cooled allowing the solder to reset more precisely. This was done using an in-house machine that was operated by a Gamestop employee. The result was that Gamestop was able to turn scrap consoles into refurbished pieces with an absolutely huge profit margin. While I am sure it was more reliable than the towel fix, the fact remains, that even this was temporary and with the correct ambient conditions, bump or plain aging, the Xbox would revert to its critical failure state.

A recent survey estimated that around ~50% of Xbox Users have experienced a hardware malfunction of some sort and statistically speaking that is a very high number. The next obvious question is just how much of this 50% was the result of retailers such as GameStop reselling broken consoles with temporary fixes and how much, genuine failure. It would be interesting to see how the retailer responds to this new revelation. GameStop has been facing financial difficulties and has spent these past few years trying to stay relevant.


Moral of the story, never ever buy used hardware form the GameStop Corporation!


This is how all these problems could be solved.

Figured Id fix that for ya wink.gif
post #34 of 52
The thing about xbox 360 RROD, you can fix it pretty easily then they get RROD again.

Unless they are correctly fixed and as far as I know the only way to permanently fix this is doing a reball the CPU and GPU since Microsoft used lead free solder that melts at temperatures the xbox usually reaches and causes them GPU/CPU to unseat itself.

Chances are Gamestop sold them cheaply fixed xboxes with x-clamp fix or heatgun reflows.

There is always risk buying refurbished things, the short warranties and knowing it was broken one time are the two red flags.

The RROD is an unusable xbox but a Google search on how to fix it has lots of good guides out their on how to fix it, my favorite and the one I use often since my xbox 360 likes to go back to RROD after I fix it, is doing the heatgun reflow, its a fix but gets you back in action.
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I went through 3 new orig 360. The one thats working best and most silently? a MS 2011 Refurb elite from gamestop that was $80 with promo, after transition to ROC if you are buying used there see if your console has a "gamestop warranty" sticker inplace of the OEM. thats a basically-new system

The thing you need to pay attention to most if you're buying one of them old fat XBOXes is the motherboard revision.

Xenons and Zephyrs are the early models that had the outrageous failure rates. Both their CPU and GPU were produced on the 90nm process and drew quite a bit of juice, contributing to the heat greatly. Opuses and Falcons shrank the CPU to 65nm and reduced the power consumption, but since the GPU is almost always the culprit behind RRODs, that didn't entirely solve the issue. With Jaspers, however, MS shrank the GPU to 65nm too and further lowered the power consumption, resulting in a cooler system and a low failure rate.

Basically, the Jasper revision is what the X360 should've been at launch. If you're getting one now, get a Jasper.
     
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The thing you need to pay attention to most if you're buying one of them old fat XBOXes is the motherboard revision.

Xenons and Zephyrs are the early models that had the outrageous failure rates. Both their CPU and GPU were produced on the 90nm process and drew quite a bit of juice, contributing to the heat greatly. Opuses and Falcons shrank the CPU to 65nm and reduced the power consumption, but since the GPU is almost always the culprit behind RRODs, that didn't entirely solve the issue. With Jaspers, however, MS shrank the GPU to 65nm too and further lowered the power consumption, resulting in a cooler system and a low failure rate.

Basically, the Jasper revision is what the X360 should've been at launch. If you're getting one now, get a Jasper.

Funnily enough I have a working Xenon thats outlasted all the other failed systems which was Opus x2 & Jasper. This 2011 Refurbed MS Elite seems to be another one of MS's mystery replacement boards or something as it looks different than Jaspers but uses same plug & pulls less power + heat + noise = dead silent.
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I've had mixed luck with Gamestop refurbished in the past. A PSP I bought there a few years ago couldn't read UMD discs, but I bought a 3DS a few months ago and that has worked perfectly for me ever since.
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The gpu/cpu were too close together on the 360 revs prior to the slim, it ended up warping the pcb from the massive heat output, sometimes even reballing wasn't good enough. If they would have designed the pcb board more efficiently in house they could have had the gpu and cpu in different places and probably avoided a good 50 percent return. They ended up fixing the problem once they put the cpu and gpu on one die but by then the 360 was past its prime.

Also I use to fix 360's, they are the shottiest engineering job in the history of gaming consoles. I have no idea why Microsoft cheapened out so badly when they had the money to make it right the first time...

The Wii might have been underpowered and made fun of but inside it was an excellent design job. Same with the Wii U.
    
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Funnily enough I have a working Xenon thats outlasted all the other failed systems which was Opus x2 & Jasper. This 2011 Refurbed MS Elite seems to be another one of MS's mystery replacement boards or something as it looks different than Jaspers but uses same plug & pulls less power + heat + noise = dead silent.
Now that sounds interesting. I'd love to see one of them mystery boards with my own eyes smile.gif Too bad I live too far from official Microsoft centers that include an xbox support team, so the chance of encountering one is quite slim :/

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The gpu/cpu were too close together on the 360 revs prior to the slim, it ended up warping the pcb from the massive heat output, sometimes even reballing wasn't good enough. If they would have designed the pcb board more efficiently in house they could have had the gpu and cpu in different places and probably avoided a good 50 percent return. They ended up fixing the problem once they put the cpu and gpu on one die but by then the 360 was past its prime.

Also I use to fix 360's, they are the shottiest engineering job in the history of gaming consoles. I have no idea why Microsoft cheapened out so badly when they had the money to make it right the first time...

The Wii might have been underpowered and made fun of but inside it was an excellent design job. Same with the Wii U.
Actually, even that didn't eradicate the problem entirely. I occasionally encounter RROD slims as well; in fact, one came in just today, and the culprit is indeed the CGPU. Will be doing a reball tomorrow smile.gif
Oh, and one more thing about slims: even though the CGPU failure rate went down considerably, a new issue popped up: the southbridge biggrin.gif 66-75% of RROD slims that come to me actually require a southbridge reflow/reball rather than the CGPU. Just one more engineering oversight atop the already considerably-sized pile smile.gif
     
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I don't get how you guys and tons of my friends would deal with this crap and STILL give M$ money for a console. Baffles me.
   
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